It’s multipurpose, it celebrates pride, and it can be used to smack a fascist with if they get in your face about it <3
I don’t think violently hurting people is a good idea.
Unless they’re fascists. Because punching nazis is a net positive for the world
in fact, not punching a nazi when you have the opportunity is in itself a net negative, so we can say it’s immoral to not punch a nazi whenever possible.
Punching Nazis is always self defence, since being a Nazi in public is an act of violence.
I don’t think violently hurting people is a good idea.
A lot of people forget, due to the exceptionally stable nature of modern Western society, that society is built on violence. We, as citizens of a polity, subcontract out our violence to a central state. And this is, to at least some degree, a good thing - there’s a central entity which can be observed and judged and regulated, rather than a million people all trying to enforce and judge one another’s usage of violence as justified or unjustified.
But ultimately, such subcontracting of violence is conditional - as long as the central state represents our rights adequately, to at least some degree, people are willing to continue to surrender their own sovereign right to commit violence to it. Whenever the central state does not represent a citizen’s rights adequately, the citizen often withdraws that surrender of sovereignty - either in total or, more often, conditionally - to protect their own rights.
When you make a contract - even in something as small as buying an apple - you are relying on the threat of force from the state to back it - “We will forcibly remove property or freedom from you if you violate this contract.” Violence is a part of everyday life - what’s important is to act in such a way that minimizes the need for it. In the case of defense of LGBT rights, sometimes that means using violence as a means of deterrence against the violence of bigots that is insufficiently deterred by state action.
Or, when the state threatens us, as it so often does.
As indicated at that first pride.
Gotta remind the complacent goons that oppression has consequences. 👍
Political power is, as they say (i think they say this) kept in barrels
And you should drop those barrels on cops.
Pork barrel spending is a saying, I think you’re describing the Four boxes of liberty. Jury doesn’t seem to do a damn thing when they just get pardoned shortly after conviction, we are somewhere between jury and cartridge.
No, im pretty sure political power is kept in barrels, and we take it out when we need to use it. Because it comes from there.
Oh shit, maybe we don’t just store it there, but we make it there? Like whiskey?
Old saying from… Korea, i wanna say? Maybe mongolia?
I don’t remember exactly, but damn i wonder if its tasty, like whiskey.
Fuck, this is an insanely good comment!
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Violence is typically taken up by actors on their behalf. In an organized state this is, well, generally the state. In non-state activity, this tends to be their friends and family. In societies with weak or nonexistent centralized states, you see this in the form of honor societies being willing to have the young and healthy take up arms and feuds on behalf of offenses against elderly, children, or disabled who they have ties with.
Non-violence is the greatest force at the disposal of mankind. It is mightier than the mightiest weapon of destruction devised by the ingenuity of man.
I get what you’re going for, but maybe work on the wording? Because my immediate thought was, alright, you lay on the ground and I’ll drop a nuclear bomb, and let’s see which was more destructive.
It’s a direct quote from Gandhi.
It’s not, though.
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It’s not their theory. If someone explains basic theory of relativity to you, will you call it their theory?
Name checks out. Hit me next!
I feel no desire to outsource offense, and that is probably what bugs me most. Your theory seems to justify expansion and to turn outward instead of inward. Perhaps I misunderstand what you are saying in this regard.
What?
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Fascist lives don’t matter.
How do you think Pride managed to become a reality? With “thank you” cards?
With “thank you” cards?
“Thank you for respecting our identity :)” written on a brick.
Show it to friends, ‘show it’ to foes.
Yes, it’s a shame fascists are so hell bent on doing that to us. But perhaps if they experience consequences, they may elect to do literally anything else with their life than harass queer people.
But I know I’m being too optimistic.
Some fascists would rather die than be better human beings… So it is only generous to oblige them.
Unfortunately, showing a brick to a fascist’s face will likely just reinforce their bullshit. Still effective though.
Fascists are cowards. A brick to the face will keep most of them from putting themselves in situations conducive to future bricks to the face
I’d certainly hope so, but the idiots that I have the unfortunate necessity of dealing with are way too dense to make that connection.
Yeah, you’re right. I really wish these fascists would stop trying to hurt people who did nothing to them.
They won’t think twice about violently hurting trans folk though so… Yeah
They might when folk gotta brick tho. :P
What would be the issue with that.
What justified this instance of your violence vs one instance of their violence?
Nah, Nazis don’t deserve respect or peace. See the paradox of tolerance.
It is an objectively good thing for the world when a violent bigot gets their head caved in.
“Just turn the other cheek, be the bigger person, take the high road, and as long as you give everyone the benefit of the doubt good things will come to you”. All phrases used by abusers to manipulate people into taking abuse. After all if you keep being a good person and don’t retaliate you will be rewarded with an eternity of paradise and those who hurt will eternally suffer ::snickers with the collection plate::
Nazis arent people
Not for long if you have a brick handy anyway
I agree, that’s why we need to violently harm those who would violently harm us, our loved ones and others like us and our loved ones.
That’s the greatest justification the government needed, do not complain when it is used against you
Then the rest of us will handle it and accept thank-you’s later.
I understand this statement in principle but unfortunately thats not how the world works. If you tolerate intolerance you will just end up opressed or dead. Fascists don’t have any problems hurting and killing whoever they deem not worthy of living, they should be met with the same prejudice.
This. Violence against fascists isn’t really violence, it’s enforcement of the societal End User License Agreement.
You understand how circular that reasoning is right?
You have two opposing groups, let’s call them a and B. Group a says “we dont think group b has a right to exist and we are prepared to get violent” and group b says “we will never use violence”. How long do you expect group b to last?
Fascists are mercifully not common where I live, but if I hear one mouthing off they’re going to get a savage beating.
Surely the answer is both sides decided the other doesnt have a right to exist. There’s no difference between labeling someone a Nazi or labeling someone trans when the only point is to excuse violence on that group.
People are letting their emotions cloud their better judgment, or they haven’t developed better judgment yet. Unfortunately people think very short term and often mold reasoning around their actions after the fact.
A trans person is a trans person does not have a choice about their identity. Being a nazi is a choice you make because you want to hate people. A nazi merely needs to decide not to be a cunt and the problem resolves itself. The only way a trans person can make peace with a nazi is by hiding who they are and living a lie. It’s not the same. And if you think it is then either A: you’re delusional or B: you know I’m right but you’re also a nazi.
To put it a different way, should black people go around in white face to make the kkk happy?
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When those people want me dead it’s mere self defense.
Fascist lives dont matter
Fascists arent people, so i agree.
Or do you mean we should protect fascists? Because no. That is not how we get and keep our rights. We get and keep our rights by negotiating, and political power, un fortunately, is stored in barrels. I think that’s how that saying goes.
Fascists arent people
What is the point of this? Fascists are obviously people. There is no non-person fascist. What do you gain by pretending otherwise?
Not in any of the ways that matter.
Dehumanizing a fictional enemy lets collectivists and terrorist supporters feel like they are in a real war without being in one and also let’s them balance the cognitive dissonance of a discourse that claims to accept others while in practice they just want to get rid of others
It’s fascinating, actually
Fascists aren’t people.
I agree. But you have to defend yourself against people who are violent against you for not being up to their standards and beliefs.
But if you are attacked for being who you are, feel free to use words like “please stop, don’t do this” instead of a brick.
Sounds like you’re fine with watching others get hurt as long as it isn’t you.
Fascists only know one language, and that is violence. They firmly believe “Might makes right” and so, we must show them strength such that they fear to challenge us ever again.
neither do i. good thing fascists aren’t people.
Tell that to the fascists.
I tell it to everybody, whether they are actively violent or not.
That’s a lovely sentiment, but in reality some people just need to be beaten violently. All you’re doing is putting that responsibility on someone else.
I don’t believe in justifying violence on humans or animals.
So if you were walking through the streets of Mariupol and saw a russian soldier violently raping a child (I use this example because it’s not uncommon) you’d, what, ask them nicely to stop, let them get on with it?
Totally depends on who you’re hurting.
No.
Even animals don’t deserve to be treated violently.
That implies animals are lesser than fascists.
it implies violence is unacceptable towards life
“Even” Animals don’t deserve it? Why is “even” in that sentence? Are you assuming we would be more willing to hurt animals than we would be to defend ourselves from fascists?
Tolerance of intolerance is the death of tolerance.
I do
Crazy responses huh? If it makes you feel better, after they chase off any voices of reason, these type of people resort to eating eachother.
Indeed. One has to understand that the people calling for violence in these threads usually never get to the stage of wondering what happens when their circular reasoning is used against them
Fascinating
What is the voice of reason for fascists?
It’s a good question.
One problem with “fascists should be met w violence” is in the lack of definition for fascist. I can tell you, in my experience, saying something like “I don’t want universal healthcare” is enough to earn me the label of “fascist” in leftwing forums like Lemmy and Reddit.
If the logic is “people who disagree are fascists, and fascists deserve violence” or more simply “people who disagree deserve violence”… well isn’t that what fascists say??
Do you agree that that example at least highlights a serious problem in the chain of logic?
No, that’s you and others being petty, that’s not fascism. If you want other people to be dead on the basis of who they were born as and attempt to make those ideals a reality you are a fascist and death for you would be a net positive. Don’t be a crybaby, be realistic and stop being such a reactionary child.
Edit: And that is not reason, that is just myopic self justification. If you have the problem that people are constantly calling you a fascist and you’re not arguing for death camps and absolute authoritarianism, then the thing that’s going on is that you’re just an insufferable and controlling asshole.
Edit: Also, point blank, supporting fascists makes you a fascist.
Im being a crybaby? Sorry, im not following.
Yup. Catch on.
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🥱 Brick
☺️ Brick with built-in sling for maximum control and power
Or, maximum range.
Honestly it just needs a slot for the phone and it becomes fashionable, practical and tactical.
“Do you have stones in your purse?” “No. It is a stone!”
What events are you going to where they ask people if they’ve got stones in their purse?
Rock concert
Gottem!
Damn
Stone convention
Geologists get it.
Geologists are just professional stoners.
They’re called minerals Marie.
In germany at least, if someone else’s bag is heavy, we ask if they’re carrying stones in it.
In Slovakia we also ask about bricks in the same way.
I want one and I’m a straight man.
that statement still doesn’t exclude you from being trans :)
Yup, plenty of straight trans men!
Brick phone and brick wallet are also good options. Wear pants with big pockets.
And just like that, cargo pants made yet another fashionable comeback.
Fuckin… JNCOs fulla bricks.
Bricks! So hot right now!
Mmm, layer cake
First I was sure these were kitchen sponges.
I like cake.
The cake is a lie?
Well, you keep on trying til you run out of cake (and then get more)
Yep, my first tought 🍰
looks tasty I know it isn’t tasty, but it looks tasty
That’s no brick; it’s a universal multi-tool.
Great. Now I have Brick House stuck in my head. 🤣
~Fuck. I’m older than that song. 😢~
RIP
Certified banger ☝️
What song?
It’s a long range brick.
Flail moveset, deals blunt and emotional damage. Inflicts dysphoria buildup. Scales with dexterity and intelligence.
Ok, go on, what Ash of War?
Good old Spinning Strikes
To paraphrase, shout proudly and carry a brick.
I tend to check social media much less than the average person, so this might be a really dumb question, but…
Why is it a brick? Does it symbolize something? Is it tool? Or a weapon? Or just some form of art?
LGBT history, I believe - the Stonewall Riots were a pivotal event in LGBT awareness and fighting for their rights. As it was a, well, riot, bricks were used, as is common for people spontaneously deciding to fight the power - a sort of “We didn’t come here to brawl, but we’ll tear up the streets if you want to make it one” energy.
It’s rumour that the riot “officially begun” with a brick being thrown too.
And that brick was thrown by a trans woman. That’s a definitely fact for sure
Ah, so it’s symbolic and artistic. That’s cool, I dig the creativity 🙂
Thanks for the explanation.
Actual bricks are rough and crumble a little bit occasionally, you’d probably want to coat that in some epoxy.
Which will make it easier to clean!
All of a true ninja’s tools have multiple purposes.
Hair pins, baby!
Any good tool can be a weapon in a pinch!
Cept for that mall ninja junk, that stuff’s just silly.
I dig the ice cream look.
