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Rule 5: Seems to be fake, mark it please.
Fake. A report would list the violations, the code reference, and have a lot of extra text describing the municipalities rules regarding said violations and a list of consequences for failing to correct said violations.
It would certainly not list a price because the inspector doesn’t set repair costs or estimate them, and these were fines they aren’t “estimated,” much less printed out on a sheet like this. Even if it were remotely real, why would the tenant ever get a copy? The notice of violation goes to the landlord.
Yeah, all of this. I’m pretty sure these cases happen, but that piece of paper ain’t it. Also, time to correct these things is dependent on the amount of work to be done, and replacing all basement windows and fixing the electrical wiring especially when multiple units are affected can take a lot of time regardless of how fast the landlord acts (e.g. you need access to every single unit in which the wiring needs fixing in combination with opening up walls and so on). They set a time limit to pay fines, and they will probably be telling them a time frame after which they visit again for inspection where they want to see these things either fixed or what progress has been made towards it.
I still check r/all on libreddit (gotta keep tabs on the fascist propaganda) and I literally read a comment in the last couple of weeks that is the basis of this fake post. The commenter said they gave their landlord 3 months instead of the 30 day requirement, mentioned multiple other defects were found, and specifically included a part about their electrical wiring being crossed with a neighbour, resulting in many thousands more in expenses for the landlord than the few hundred their request would have.
The comment appeared real, but it could have still been a bot copy pasting from an old thread. Either way, I’m certain that’s the source.
I found the thread you mentioned (https://www.reddit.com/r/MaliciousCompliance/comments/1wds9vf/my_landlord_told_me_to_go_ahead_and_report_her_to/) and which is probably the basis for the AI prompt for this image.
I did not find an identical post in the last years, but i found the following from 5 years ago, which is very much in the same vein and might be the actual origin of the story (especially since it got 22k upvotes at the time), which was being fed to an LLM with orders to add more details for more engagement: https://www.reddit.com/r/MaliciousCompliance/comments/u3668f/our_landlord_told_me_go_ahead_call_the_city/
(thanks for MetaGer and DuckDuckGo with the search help, with google i would still sift through garbage. MetaGer sadly only goes back to 2025 because they are not that old, or else they would have sufficed)
Thanks for doing the thing I couldn’t be bothered to do. This bot definitely ripped off the recent poster, as the noted defects in it are identical.
They found a fire alarm that wasn’t working, took note of the garbage around the property, and found windows that were boarded up in the basement that needed to be real windows to satisfy the city’s ‘at least 2 real windows in basements’ rule or whatever.
Makes sense really. Easier to have your bot farms rehash and cross post high engagement material between all sources. No matter what, only a fraction of total users are gonna see any one.
Come to think of it, in the last month a custom meme made the front page using some western girls image as the background, then within hours I saw the same meme (identical “custom” text) posted to an indian sub, but with an indian girls image instead. Dead internet theory in action.
Gay. Crossing electrical units.
It’s not gay if the wire nuts don’t touch
And you don’t make eye contact between tenants.
Don’t post fake shit if it’s not obvious.
There’s an invisible line you can’t cross. No meme that’s fake should ever try to be real.
Legitimately, why is this the threshold? Shouldn’t it be on the reader to decide if something is fake or not, particularly on a media format that’s rife with misinformation to begin with?
I give memes about 15 seconds of focus - it’s not a big investment of my time. I’m not inclined to fact check them. If one pulls me in, then I dig a bit deeper. I’m not out here acting like some snake oil salesman. I just post stuff I find amusing.
Just because you posted it in a memes group doesn’t make it a meme.
Why do you have this piece of paper and is there anything else on this page that tells us where it came from?
And then everybody clapped. “Wires are crossed. $6,500. 21 days to fix.” Am I playing pretend with my nephew?
You could save yourself some letters by reciting the old 4chan mantra:
fake and gay
Haha being gay is bad you are very funny
No, it’s not bad, silly. I’m just referring to a very dated refrain from a cesspit website. That particular comment ‘meme’ was everywhere on the Internet for anything even remotely suspicious.
That image is certainly one of those things
I don’t see the gay side of this one, yet. Was the city inspector really hot or something?
it’s not unheard of. i had an outlet that wasn’t on my own electrical service. when they replaced the fuseboxes in the back with breaker boxes they double-checked what circuits went to which units and it got ‘fixed’. the fridge was running on that outlet when i moved in.
Switching neutral with live generally won’t cause any issues. Switching neutral with ground is much worse but most likely would go without major issues. Switching ground and live would make things just not work at best, and become a huge fire and/or electrocution hazard at worst.
I’m 99% sure neither the original post or the one you are responding to are talking about crossed wires inside an outlet. They’re talking about an entire outlet/switch/etc. being on the electrical service for a neighboring unit.
So someone is paying for the usage of a neighbor. And if power is shut off for non-payment, they move out, etc. then one of the outlets will seemingly randomly stop working because it’s on a different electrical service.
Yup that’s a service panel serving one or more units in a neighboring unit. Electrical plus ripping up drywall to run a new wire from the correct panel.
Depending on the run this is probably about right.
I’m not sure.
It’s not saying it’s real but I can envision a world where it’s at least conceivable.
They’re not saying it should take 21 days of labour, just that they have 21 days to be compliant.
And the runs between units might indicate other issues like insufficient panel sizes, or long runs of wall that are expected to get cut up and are expected to be repaired properly. Maybe permits and subsequent electrical inspections. They might even pad all their estimates too.
It’s high, but not impossibly high.
One of the apartments I lived in as a kid had started with the best kind of landlord: completely absent unless something needed to be fixed. But after a year or two, he sold it to essentially the opposite: Always there unless something needs fixing.
The actual owner was a retired guy who owned a bunch of apartments on the other side of town, and didn’t want to be bothered with actually running this one building. He bought it so his weird son could move there and have a place to work on cars. So we now had a nosy neighbor that was always ready to tell us our business but wasn’t going to be responsible for any actual upkeep, while the real landlord might as well have been in witness protection anytime we needed something. And as an added bonus, we had to move the car from the safe, spacious parking lot to the busy street in a fairly shitty neighborhood.
When I got my driver’s license, a friend of the family sold me a really shitty car for $5. I got it home but needed to get it worked on because I’ve always believed that when it comes to steering and brakes, a car should be able to do at least one of those things reliably.
The next day, the bipedal rodent next door asked my mom about the car and she explained that it was mine and I was going to be getting it worked on so I could have a car. He offered $50 for it so he could fix it up and sell it, which my mom politely declined.
Later that day, my mom and discount Norman Bates got into an argument about some trivial bullshit and the by the next morning, my car got towed away. The shit head then went on to explain that the street in front of the apartment would be restricted to two hour parking, and that my mom would have to move her car if she didn’t want it towed. He didn’t care that there was nowhere else to park, not his problem.
So my mom showed up to work crying and on the edge of a nervous breakdown, which caught the attention of her boss, who just happened to be a member of the city council. She explained what had happened and he told her not to worry about it. Turns out the little unregistered business running out of our parking lot was about 7 different kinds of illegal, and while the place was being inspected by the city they also found several violations that would get very expensive if they weren’t fixed.
In the aftermath of the legal colonoscopy, the lost heirs to the Habsburg dynasty were suddenly willing to be a lot more reasonable. We still had to park on the street (which was bullshit) but dipshit junior talked to his dad and the right to park there was going to be added to the lease agreement and they were both going to be off our backs for at least a few months because they were too busy dealing with the city.
Sadly, I never did get the gas guzzling death trap back. It would take a year and a half before I finally got my hands on an even more fucked up car.
More relevant to this post, there was a time when the plumbing backed up and the toilet started backing up into the bathtub. It’s Saturday afternoon, my mom calls dipshit the elder (now actually answering the phone in the wake of the previous story) who says he’ll come take a look at it on Wednesday or Thursday. My mom hangs up and calls a city renters hotline and asks what would happen if, hypothetically, someone were in this situation and complained to the city. Turns out, a lack of functioning plumbing is a pretty serious code violation and the fines could start after twenty four hours. When my mom called the old man back, suddenly he found the time in his schedule to come look at it the next day. And then when he couldn’t fix it himself (shocked-kirk.jpg) he had a plumber there on Monday morning.
I really like your choice of words here.
Do you by any chance write? The choice of words is next level in this comment xD
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Writing at the bottom is off
Can you point it out for me? I’m not good with these things
The font just looks placed on top and not actually printed to the paper. Especially in the last row with the 21 days
In cases like this, can the landlord mysteriously choose not to renew the rental contract?
in some jurisdictions that have tenant protections, if a complaint is filed a landlord can’t ‘retaliate’ by raising rents, not renewing, evictions would get much more scrutiny by the courts, etc…
Which if a jurisdiction is willing to inspect a unit to this level, its a safe assumption that it has those protections you listed
On paper… no they can’t retaliate against you. But… if you live in a state like mine. Rules and laws aren’t worth a damn and you’ll be out on your ass faster than you can say renters rights.
Probably
Reeks of affluent college town to me
SLOP
Saw this as a text post on r/maliciouscompliance like two days ago. Author of the post did not post this image. At least one of them is bull
Gross, you keep reading Reddit slop
How
the paper image is AI generated
How do you tell?
The font is very common for AI generation, the position of the text inside the cells is not consistant.
If you’re training a new AI however, it is most important to use comic sans and papyrus details in the glyphs to make the font more human
Let me use AI to fact check it
Yeah, don’t play chicken with the building official. Usually they’ll work with you and brush off the more petty issues if you’re working with them and it’s clear that you’re trying to be compliant. But if you act like a pompous dickbag or try to hide infractions then they will take immense pleasure in going through everything with a fine tooth comb and nail you for every single infraction they can find no matter how petty.
Aww, did someone find out?
I actually know a few landlords that are very responsible with stuff like that
It’s their tenants that end up breaking things
I’ve never heard a landlord complain about not affording to feed their kids because one of the tenants spilled something on the rug.
It’s fucked both ways. When you rent, landlords treat you like shit. When you’re the landlords, the tenants fuck up your property.
Seems like if your tenants keep wreckinh things like willing the paint off the walls, it’d be a lot easier to just sell the property to someone that lives there. Then it could be their problem.
Didn’t you know? Every landlord is a monster stealing from people who get absolutely no benefit from the arrangement. At least here on Lemmy, that is.
You can tell when people haven’t experienced home ownership before. It’s definitely a “grass is greener” thing, but owning a home is a major pain in the ass in many ways. I actually work with a few people who sold theirs and went back to renting because of it. I’d join them if we didn’t have more pets than the city allows.
The equity thing is always brought up, but any gains you make because of market fluctuations are only good for taking out loans, or making a profit when you go back to renting. The other houses on the market have increased in value along with it. Plus, any maintenance expenses are just keeping your house from losing value.
I don’t think anyone thinks owning a home is easy, more that housing as an investment has priced people out of the option entirely.
You’d be surprised. In the coms like boringdystopia, latestagecapitalism, and anarchy, the attitude is that there’s absolutely no upside to renting. Every tenant is getting screwed by every landlord.
You’re just going to completely ignore the principal benefit of home ownership?
“Renting” means 70 years of annually-increasing monthly payments, and leaving nothing to your kids.
“Owning” means 30 years of fixed monthly payments, 40 years of no payments, and bequeathing an actual estate to your kids.
I’ve been in my current home 20 years; I’ve already made 20 years of payments on my current home. I’m paying the fixed monthly price I negotiated 20 years ago, back when my house was worth a fraction of what it is currently worth. My mortgage payment now is a little more than the rent payment would have been 20 years ago. My mortgage payment now is about 1/3 the rent payment for comparable homes in my area. My mortgage payment will continue to be fixed for the next 10 years, while rents will be hiked 10 more times. I don’t need to fight for “rent control”; I already have it.
The equity thing is always brought up,
You do not entirely comprehend of the concept of “equity”. You come close, but you just don’t quite get there:
The other houses on the market have increased in value along with it.
Exactly. The proceeds from the sale of one home pay for the next, and the next, and the next…
I’ve made 20 years of mortgage payments on my current home. I have also made 20 years of mortgage payments on my next home. And 20 years of mortgage payments on the home after that. In 10 years, I will have paid off my current home, and I’ll be living “rent free”, wherever I happen to be living. (Theoretically,) I won’t ever need to make another house payment, and I’ll be able to leave a home, (or the value of a home), to my kids.
That’s what “Equity” actually means. Not this “taking out loans” crap, nor the “making a profit when you go back to renting”.
The entire concept of “renting” needs to die in a goddamn fire. You’re literally better off playing the lottery than pissing away your hard earned money on a housing subscription.
Renting would almost make sense if it was dirt fucking cheap. The reality is it often costs an amount comparable to a mortgage, but without any of the benefits.
Personally I think housing should be a right and everyone entitled to it, and should not be used as an investment or vector for wealth.
Exactly. Rent would need to be high enough to cover taxes, insurance, maintenance. But somewhere along the line, landlords decided that it also had to cover financing: Rent had to pay the mortgage on top of everything else.
Things get pretty stupid when financing is involved. The interest I’m being charged will buy the bank two homes along with my own, and fucking everybody has, is, or will be paying a mortgage, either directly to a bank, or via a landlord.
I think the solution is an owner-occupancy property tax credit that holds a resident’s property tax where it is, accompanied by a massive property tax hike that only applies to properties the owner doesn’t use as their primary residence. I think that landlords would fight tooth and nail to convert their tenants into “buyers” by offering private mortgages or land contracts instead of rental agreements.
Where do you live that you get a 30 year fixed rate? That’s unheard of here. Best they’ll do around here is typically 5, then renewal time.
I’m paying the fixed monthly price I negotiated 20 years ago, back when my house was worth a fraction of what it is currently worth.
A nitpick: no you aren’t, unless you don’t have property tax and homeowners insurance in escrow paid out of your mortgage payment. I bought a house in 2010, thanks to the 2008 economic crash I picked it up for $43k on a FMV of 90k. I was young and had a low wage job at the time so I went for a 30 year mortgage instead of 15, and my payment with escrow was only $386/month. Fast forward to last year when I sold it, my payment at that point was nearly $600/month due to taxes and insurance both nearly doubling.
Also fun fact, even though I sold it for nearly three times what I “paid” for it, I didn’t profit nearly as much as you’d think due to that massive amount of interest I paid over the 15 years of a 30 year mortgage. If I had taken the 15 year loan it would have been paid off for six months before I sold it, and in fact I probably wouldn’t have sold it. When you’re in your 30s, 30 years doesn’t seem much longer than 15. If I bought a house today I would go for 15 years…not that I can afford to buy one today. I’m lucky that I live in an inherited house now but most people don’t have that going for them.
A nitpick: no you aren’t, unless you don’t have property tax and homeowners insurance in escrow paid out of your mortgage payment.
I understand where you’re coming from. You’re not wrong. However, I’m paying those even if I’m renting. (Granted, not to the tax man or the insurance company, but the landlord certainly counts them when he hikes the rent price.) Further, in owning, those expenses continue even after I’ve paid off the mortgage.
Here, we’re looking at the differences between renting and owning. Since I can’t avoid those expenses under either circumstance, we can ignore them here. In this same category, we could also include condo fees, homeowner association fees, storm sewer fees, etc.
Owning and living in it is completely different than owning and renting. I don’t rent anymore, and I also don’t own multiple homes, but just from seeing what happens to the house next door, renters are not maintaining your property value. Selling your rental after it has been rented for ten years is no guarantee. That’s part of why rent has gone insane, people literally treat anything that isn’t their own as something to be destroyed.
Landlords hold virtually all the power in the transaction. I can’t really blame the tenants for refusing to maintain a property they don’t own. That doesn’t excuse actual abuse, of course, but over a 10-year period, regular wear and tear starts looking a lot like abuse. Especially with carpets, fixtures, appliances, mechanicals…
Regular wear and tear is not what I’m talking about. I live in a state where tenants actually hold more of the power. It’s why I was able to threaten a previous landlord with 3x damages for refusing to return a deposit (2 times actually, both resulting in returned deposits). Wear and tear is usually covered in your state laws. That’s not what I’m talking about here. I’m talking about actual abuse. Drilling massive holes in walls. Cutting down trees without permission. Refusing to mow or water the grass (I’ve been on both sides of this). Destroying almost everything of value in the rental (toilet, bath, mirrors, stove, microwave, baseboard heaters, lights, fans, floors).
The landlord is entering into the agreement for purposes of financial gain. The tenant is entering into the relationship for basic shelter. Failure to enter into such an agreement has far more urgent and dire consequences for the tenant than for the landlord. So when you say:
I live in a state where tenants actually hold more of the power.
I can only respond: “There is no such state.” The basic concept of “renting” is fundamentally unbalanced. Some states have taken greater steps than others to lighten the landlord’s thumb on the scale, but the landlord-bias is intrinsic to the arrangement.
I’m talking about actual abuse.
Which is, indeed, a big fucking problem that probably has some market effects. But the unjustified jump in rent and housing prices is primarily due to widespread institutional investment in residential property. Algorithmic pricing collusion is also playing a major role in rental hikes, far exceeding any effect arising from abusive tenants.
Failure to enter into such an agreement has far more urgent and dire consequences for the tenant than for the landlord. So when you say:
It depends on the state. You will be able to retain housing for over six months without paying a dime before getting evicted in my state. This has implications for both tenant and landlord. Imagine trying to put off paying a mortgage for six months. Of course it’s a business for the landlord, but for small time landlords who only own a few properties it’s a much bigger deal than it is for the rental private equity companies sucking everything up.
But the unjustified jump in rent and housing prices is primarily due to widespread institutional investment in residential property. Algorithmic pricing collusion is also playing a major role in rental hikes, far exceeding any effect arising from abusive tenants.
Completely agree.
I also know how boots taste…
