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Yeah but THEY didn’t have the TECHNOLOGY we do to be able to RAMP UP our DOMESTIC PRODUCTION! So it’s a GOOD THING that President Elon Musk and First Lady Donald Trump HAVENT been Cutting US Investing and Production!
They don’t care what it does to people, it makes some rich people richer like the alcohol prohibition
Wait. I just realized something. One of the significant reasons humans are such amazing creatures compared to the other species is our generational knowledge we can pass down. But we have a saturation point. We need consciousness information downloading. Not immortality. But a way to download Wikipedia to our brains. That’s the next step.
Agreed. It’s so tiring actually navigating Wikipedia. I just want a megacorp to select the best bits and inject them directly into my brain when they see fit!
I don’t think it will work. Some knowledge you just can’t acquire without lived experiences.
So basically ai chips.
Possibly. I think that might be a temporary stop gap until we get to bio engineering. I doubt we are going to integrate with AI
not necessarily, just a brain chip, doesn’t need ai
Or vampires.
???
Doritos.
economy collapsing and all we do is eat hot chip & lie
You can be bisexual too (until the camps for us filthy gays open)
Don’t worry. I’ll bath in the blood of the wicked to protect you. If they come for my gay autistic god son. I will eat the throats of the ones who step through that door looking for war.
The last tariff I personally remember was the 1983 motorcycle tariff signed by Reagan. The Yamaha Virago was seen as such a threat to Harley-Davidson that they pushed for and got a tariff imposed on imported motorcycles over 700ccs engine displacement. Yamaha’s answer was to reduce the engine displacement from 750 to 699cc. The 250cc Virago is still in production today, though they install a straighter handlebar on it and call it a “V-Star 250.”
Targeted tariffs are regularly used for specific reasons. We just don’t normally go all AoE with tariffs.
This is what happens when a populace isn’t properly educated.
Prepare for this country to be on a downward slope for the rest of our lives. That’s the most likely future for us.
The brain drain can already be seen, most have already moved abroad, or are waiting to.
angrily looks at the “verified” badge
If I recall my history right, the 1929 stock market collapse precipitated the Great Depression, and the tariffs were a (misguided) attempt at trying to set the economy straight.
Dont let facts get in the way of a cheeky social media post.
Did it make it better or worse?
In case you are seriously asking this is from Wikipedia.
Intended to bolster domestic employment and manufacturing, the tariffs instead deepened the Depression because the U.S.'s trading partners retaliated with tariffs of their own, leading to U.S. exports and global trade plummeting. Economists and historians widely regard the act as a policy misstep, and it remains a cautionary example of protectionist policy in modern economic debates.
Soooo much much worse.
I figured as such but since he was saying OP was wrong, I thought it worth asking.
The causality there is misleading. We really don’t need any sort of misleading to criticize the cheeto. There’s plenty of legitimate points to make.
Ferris bueller kinda called this one.
The bueller… bueller… bueller bit is preceded by ben stein explaining the Hadley snoot tariffs to a visibly bored and distracted classroom.
From Smoot-Hawley to Bueller-Trumpy.
There’s in general no way this can work long-term. When nations cooperate, they both benefit. If you’re the only nation not cooperating with everyone else, then everyone else will surpass you until you’re North Korea levels of yesteryear.
My macroecon book, which was written by a guy from the Bush administration, hit us over the head with that concept.
It’s strange to thing that he’d be considered a pariah by his party’s leadership now.
Looking at this through the lens of “how can the oligarchs benefit”, it makes complete sense - Strip all government assistance, remove social nets, add tariffs that will basically kill most small businesses (think also farms, mom and pop shops, etc). Lead to depression, billionaires swoop in and buy up land/homes/business for pennies on the dollar (or just basically crush small businesses to get them out of the way). One couldn’t design a better way to fuck over everyone and enrich the oligarchs
Yup, a fire sale for oligarchs.
Did anyone mention how the 1930 tariffs sparked a wave of retaliatory tariffs by other nations, greatly reducing international trade, pushing a natural resources poor Japan to conclude that in order to survive it needed an empire, so it invaded other countries, committing such atrocities that even Nazi Germany was like “whoa dude, chill”, which lead to their participation in WWII, Pearl Harbor and the deployment of nuclear bombs? No?
That’s quite the oversimplification, and I approve.
There’s a lot of oversimplification. But the US embargo on Japan in 1940 led directly to the attack on Pearl Harbor.
The US embargoed all oil to Japan. Japan calculated it had less than 2 years worth of oil before it ran out, so it needed to capture the Dutch East Indies (modern day Indonesia, more or less) because they were a major source of oil. The American puppet state of the Philippines was between Japan and the Dutch East Indies, so they had to deal with that somehow. Their decision was to preemptively attack Pearl Harbor and hope that they could consolidate their gains in the Pacific by the time the US was able to counter-attack.
Japan’s actions in WWII weren’t directly about tariffs, but they were about spheres of influence, like the Greater East-Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere.
A lot of Trump’s posturing seems to be about bringing back these spheres of influence. The US wants to control North America, taking over Greenland and Canada, and leave Europe to become part of the Russian sphere.
Haha yeah, but I could do even better:
Tariffs bad because history
Japan was expanding long before 1930’s. Korea, Mongolia, and parts of China were already under Japan long before 1930.
Yeah that comment is wildly ignorant of Japan’s actions and aspirations pre1930. Fuck Trump and these tariffs, mind you.
But, the full scale invasion of China by happens around 1931, which then lead to the conflict that get China involved in WWII.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mukden_incident https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_Polo_Bridge_incident
Yes, full scale. But they already occupied parts of China before 1930. It wasn’t tariffs for Japan. It was sanctions on oil to force them to stop invading. Their response was to speed up invasions to secure oil.
Which I suppose goes to the heart of why tariffs and export restrictions are bad. A country that is pushed into a corner where it will be deprived of an essential commodity is highly incentived to fight for it…
Edit: to be clear, not defending Japan at all. Just considering possible implications
While that sounds good, that’s a reason to not sanction Russia for agression. The alternative to is to not do anything with aggressors.
So you’re saying that Japan threw a shit fit because it wasn’t allowed to trade with other nations. Japan.
Fucking love it.
It’s also wrong on every account; Japan was already doing imperialist shit for decades and it wasn’t tariffs but oil sanctions to try to stymie their fuel supply that sent them raging.
It wasn’t American tariffs, we didn’t fucking matter nearly as much to the world before WWII as after
The whole plan was to move production back to the US. The thing though is, that you can’t make Americans sit and sew Jeans that sell sell for $15 or assemble electronics for $6/hr
Maybe you could 100 years ago, but there is s a reason why we trade across the world and its not because we are kind. It is because it makes companies more money.
This will be mostly messy for the US. The rest of the world now has tarrifs on the US. But US now has tarrifs on the whole world. Any other country can look into expanding in new markets now, but the US has shut all its doors
you can’t make Americans sit and sew Jeans
You can with
🌈🦄 ✨ slavery ✨🦄 🌈
Yeah we can’t make everything.
Not only do most of those low level factory jobs suck we simply don’t have the workers, we’re at less than 5% unemployment.
Nor does the US need to make everything.
The US is a service economy. It makes money through capital and intellectual property. Being the first to innovate means also having the opportunity to wedge yourself as a permanent middle man and charge people around the world to pass go.
Think Uber eats for example. If I order food in Toronto from a Toronto based restaurant fulfilled by a courier in Toronto, 30% of my payment is going to them in silicon valley for managing that order.
Similarly, when you purchase an app on Google or Apple store, they are collecting 30%.
If I am in Norway purchasing a game on Steam from a Norwegian developer, you guessed it, 30% is going to Steam.
This is America’s strength now, not making t shirts, shoes or cars entirely domesticallty.
Most of the world was ok with paying the markup for convenience.
Since the US have gone rogue, many are calling for an end for respect to US intellectual property. Perhaps each country should have its own Uber, app store etc so that the cut can stay within our borders.
One case: Uber was charging 30% commission for managing rickshaw rides in India (a country with relatively low purchasing power per capita).
It was only after domestic options like Rapido or Namma Yatri undercut them that they moved to a subscription based model, charging drivers 20 to 40 rupees daily, rather than taking an exorbitant commission of 30% per ride. To India’s credit, it has a robust IT sector located in one of its major cities (Bangalore) which helps promote competition in this case.
we’re at less than 5% unemployment
So far
Queue the prison labor
*Cue
Not if we’re putting them in line to work…
Time to get more black people arrested
I’m sure that was somewhere in the project 2025 playbook
we simply don’t have the workers
And the US is deporting a lot of it’s workforce for not being white enough.
This is the thing that makes no sense. All the thinking stops at bring jobs back to the US.
Okay, raw material issues aside, what are these jobs?
They are jobs that left because it was so cheap to do it overseas that it still makes financial sense to ship the product here after it’s made.
NOONE IN THE US IS DOING THAT JOB FOR THAT MONEY HERE.
My Trump voting uncle had nothing to say when he was talking about how all the jobs were going to come back to the USA and I asked him if he wants him or any of his kids picking peaches in California for $7.50 an hour. Who exactly does he think will do these jobs when all the immigrants who are trying to establish themselves here are gone? He did not surrender the point being a good MAGAt but you can tell he had not thought about it in the slightest.
We could theoretically figure out some way to do it with automation. The problem is it would take a decade to figure out and there’s zero chance these tariffs last that long.
AI will make it come true, promised! (/s, just in case)
AI told me I could solve all this with AI
The whole plan
“Plan” is a strong word to use for this.
Oh they know that Americans won’t work at factories. That’s not their goal.
They want to bring manufacturing back the the US, it just won’t be humans doing the manufacturing, it will be robots.
There is a reason why this is not the case already. It’s more expensive.
Not if you have prison labor. Then robots are less needed just jail more peeps and send em to the new gulags.
If you jail the robots then you don’t have to pay them either.
You can make Americans design and watch a machine that sews $15 jeans. But tariffs won’t help with that if all the machine parts are more expensive too.
Thanks for the insight, stacy! By the way, why are you still posting on a nazi platform? Oh for internet points? Cool, cool.
Edit: Damn, there’s more nazis on Lemmy than I thought.
Because that’s the platform that needs to hear it
Circlejerk preaching to the choir is fun, but doesn’t reach the people who need to hear it
Yeah that’s bullshit rationalization. You don’t pay nazis to advertise anti-nazi sentiment.
You’re right, we should send Bernie to CPAC. Bet he’ll win over lots of hearts and minds.
I mean… yes
I honestly want to see this.
It’s better than sending him to a room full of people who already aggrees with him. It’s kind of the point
That is the goal in a functioning democracy. That description no longer applies to the US. Our country’s voter base is made up of political illiterates, our new voters get less educated every year, and our elected officials and their oligarch counterparts are running at full tilt in an attempt to normalize and formalize flagrant disregard for our constitution.
Which means it’s even more important for charismatic people to talk to the proverbial “other side”, because they don’t have any other ways to hear the information they don’t know they need.
That’s what Teamsters did at the RNC and people were far more angry at Teamsters than Republicans happy at hearing a working class message.
Only if you send him with a fucking machine gun. Although bless him, he would never be into that.
I so wish he hadn’t been prevented from being president by the corrupt democrats.
Edit: Damn, there’s more nazis on Lemmy than I thought.
As a rule, Lemmings are steadfastly against any course of action that might make an actual difference. They’ll post about guillotines and green Mario until the cows come home, since no one actually expects them to act on that sort of thing, but whenever anyone suggests anything that a typical person could actually do it’s nothing but excuses.
It’s cause you’re over at lemmy.world
It’s the largest, and therefore has the most mainstream people, who tend to be some flavor of liberal
In theory, joining any server gets you the whole federation experience… In practice, your home server will greatly affect discovery and shape what kind of people you encounter most
It appears the extent of their participation is spewing vitriol and clicking downvote buttons. lol
Meanwhile, I’m going to a capital protest tomorrow. Those of you doing things, KEEP RESISTING THESE FUCKS.
Lemmingspeople in general
There was also the McKinley Tariff of 1890 that is taxed foreign imports at almost 50% and caused increased prices and consumer backlash and lead to Democrats winning Congress in a landslide.
Aren’t you glad Trump promised you don’t have to vote ever again now?
But this one is different… … … I just can’t remember how… but I know they said this one is different, so it must be… right?..
Edit: autocorrect
Glorious leader is a billionaire. We will be fine. He won’t even take a paycheck!!
He’s so generous and kind. A modern day Hercules you could say.
I’d like to see U.S become so weak that Natives are able to reclaim their land. Imagine them scalp those nazi regime supporting mfers. Brings a happy tear in my eye.
I theorize that this is why most/all US leaders have been pro-Israel. Because if they were anything else, the native population would be like “hey, so what about us and our stolen lands?” and US leaders will absolutely not deal with that.
I’m pretty sure it’s the money. If minority groups were lobbying just as hard to both parties, the populist leaders would switch.
300 years of the US not giving a shit about the native population or about appearing hypocritical towards them would argue with your theory.
There’s not a single US leader who worries what Native Americans would say if they turned against Israel. They would just ignore them like they always have.
Yes, that! Also for me U.S seems to think that somehow everyone from Middle-East is a terrorist, even though that they are the worst terrorists themselves alongside Russia and Israel.
if anyone has any questions about getting out of the country, ask away.
I’m a long-term traveler.
What countries do you recommend that have the easiest visa requirements?
at this point, visas are very easy to get in general, but Thailand is still one of the easiest and is one of the friendliest and most affordable countries around.
if you’re a US citizen, you have visa-free travel in Thailand for 60 days.
if you need a visa, go to the evisa website, thaievisa.go.th, fill out the form, pay the fee, they’ll email you the visa in a couple days.
I usually recommend Thailand or somewhere in Southeast Asia as a first destination. good food, great healthcare, cheap living, great people, beautiful environment, and they’re very used to travelers so there are local and expat support systems nationwide.
another nice thing about Southeast asia is that there are tons of other friendly places close by.
it’s about as easy to live there as anywhere else, but the support systems and the country being very used to travelers might make first time travelers more comfortable.
oh PS thailand has a lot a lot of really good all you can eat buffets for 3 to 10 dollars per person.
Many European countries allow you to visit a maximum of 90 days within a 180 day period, so if you’re rich enough, you can technically live there half your life.
yup, it’s called the Schengen area:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Area
you do not have to be rich to live in Europe, Europe is much cheaper than the states, especially in the situation you’re describing as a long-term traveler.
I’m a white American that’s been living in tijuana, Mexico for the last 9.5 years. I drive north to the US to go to work every day and drive south again to go home. The Mexican border police only check maybe 5% of cars that drive from US to Mexico, and when they check me they’ve only ever checked my car registration and/or passport. It’s an extremely open border crossing when going south.
If you wanted to actually be legal, a temporary tourist visa to visit Mexico can be purchased for about 25 usd and allows you to stay for up to 6 months inside Mexico 🤷♂️ and when it expires you can buy a new one.
I’ve read in some unsubstantiated comments that the state of the authorities of Hungary is so fucked up, they barely check if you can bribe a family tree researcher to make up some BS that your grandparents were Hungarian.
Pretend they were 1956 refugees that never had papers in the US, find some people who actually got lost in 1956 that have birth certs in Hungary - like maybe killed by the Soviets - learn some elementary Hungarian, be white, and boom, EU citizenship.
I take no responsibility for this harebrained idea and reiterate that this is just some ridiculous thing I read back on Reddit way back when.
Hungary itself is leaning quite heavily into an authoritarian vibe these days. If one were to go this route, I’d recommend taking advantage of your new EU-citizen status and find permanent residence in a country with stronger democratic traditions.
Netherlands and the nordic countries are probably the top choices
Authoritarian
This just means democratic results where CIA failed. Europe warmongering despots takes authoritarian views on diminishing Hungary. Hungary allows “same sex registered partnerships”. “Needing” a pride parade is supremacism. Trying for citizenship in “CIA democratic beacon EU” will get you drafted into mobile infantry to go be cannon fodder invading Russia, or selecting a nuclear strike target.
This just means democratic results where CIA failed.
This is some tankie bullshit lol
It must be so exhausting for them to have to downvote every single reply to their comments.
What other alternative is there? Admit that your worldview is skewed by all kinds of propaganda to the point you’re detached from objective reality as desired by your party?
That’s just crazy talk. Just like the idea that words have meanings and you can’t just use them however you choose to devalue the meaning behind them.
After reading that I was hoping you could clarify something for me. What the fuck are you talking about?
Man, you really have no idea what’s going on here in the Balkans.
Cyprus sells passports, so if you have the money you can instantly become an EU citizen
What kinda money we talking here?
Like a lot. Like €300,000. Which is cheap compared to other countrys’ golden visas tbf
That is a lot but not out of reach for an upper middle class family, interesting.
Not out of reach but will hurt like hell to just give away 300k for just a passport.
Any advice on how to move all my shit without it getting stolen?
I’ve got a collection of a shit load of Legos from childhood that hold a lot of sentimental value, but it’s easily worth a shit load of money. In particular I’d be looking to move to Costa Rica. My fiance is from there, but she said stuff like that would be likely to get stolen by customs.
people usually ship their belongings by sea or air(ocean freight is cheaper and slower, but I’m not sure by how much with Costa Rica being so near) with a company like DHL, I’ve used them and found them to be a reliable international shipping company, FedEx and UPS are also options.
I wouldn’t worry about customs taking your stuff, especially if you have insurance or tracking or anything like that on the ticket, and especially with a wealthier country like Costa Rica where paper trails are more important.
I’ve actually never heard of customs taking anything legal in real life from anyone who’s shipped belongings overseas(my friend’s yak jerky got confiscated because it’s illegal to import a lot of international meat products into the US) so I personally don’t believe customs pocketing things is very common.
Legos aren’t apparently valuable on their face and with the paper trail of receipts/documents I wouldn’t think you have to worry about anything getting lifted by customs. plus, if you add some fragile notices and insurance on there the agents responsible for transporting the packages will be a lot more careful, for sure.
I wouldn’t worry about customs taking your stuff, especially if you have insurance or tracking or anything like that on the ticket, and especially with a wealthier country like Costa Rica where paper trails are more important.
It’s something my fiance warned me about. Her and her family has known customs agents to take shit. Recently they tried to send some chocolates and small gifts to us here in the U.S., and about 1/3rd of the chocolate got stolen. I’m not sure which company it was with, but it is something that happens, and to my understanding is just a culturally known fact of life.
Legos aren’t apparently valuable on their face and with the paper trail of receipts/documents I wouldn’t think you have to worry about anything getting lifted by customs.
Sure, but by weight I’m looking at about $2k worth of misc boxes, before accounting for built sets that are in good condition with all their pieces.
if you add some fragile notices and insurance on there the agents responsible for transporting the packages will be a lot more careful, for sure.
I’ll have to look into this then. Thank you for the help!
I see what you mean now.
I thought you were mainly concerned about shipping things from the US, which neither I nor anyone I’ve known has had intercepted or interfered with en route to dozens of countries, frequently containing valuables. It must happen, but it seems very rare.
The other way though, if you’re sending packages to the US from other countries, you could have that problem occasionally, which I have experienced twice and heard of from other travelers shipping things to the US.
As far as I know, that’s a one-way problem, US-tagged packages seem to slip through sticky fingers.
What tips or suggestions do you have for families with young kids?
Three big ones are:
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There are lots of international families, so they’ll have company, support networks and infrastructure.
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There are tons of safe, affordable countries with easy access to good education.
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Native English speakers are all but guaranteed jobs as ESL teachers, so the parents will have access to available, steady income abroad.
A lot of people don’t know about international schools, which is where most international families send their kids.
Other than the first two points, there are not many differences between my individual and family advice. For many families, moving from the US to a country like Thailand means safer, more affordable lives with a better quality of life.
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