cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/25133597
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There’s much more around as well!
Obligatory, fuck Spez
Welcome to lemmy newbies, here is your first official feud post.
Solidarity amongst the instances! We will not be divided!
I’m not gonna be equipped to make a nuanced and detailed take right now but in my experience hexbears are alright, fun to talk to, I can learn things from them, and at worst they’re spicy.
OMG. I just discovered Lemmy yesterday after being a Redditor for a decade. I deleted my Reddit account after the insane level of suppression I’ve endured over the past year and was all set to go cold turkey when I found out about Lemmy! Praise the sweet lil’ six pound, eight ounce baby Jesus!!
“Tankie Triad?” Really? This is just McCarthyian LARPing, you don’t have to constantly saber-rattle towards the Marxist-friendly instances.
From what I can tell, this tankie stuff is bullshit. In the years I’ve been here, I’ve seen close to zero ‘tankie’ content from any of these supposedly tankie instances. There’s like maybe one or two people on those instances who might fit the description if you search for them. Meanwhile, literally every day there are posts spitting on these supposed tankie instances. (And actually, it’s again a very small number of people complaining - but they put their crap into cute memes to get traction).
I don’t like the idea of shouting slurs at entire instances. In my view, if you hate those instances so much - just block them. Problem solved. No need to spew hate all over lemmy.
Again, despite claims to the contrary, tankie for most people means “anything left of the Democrats, or willingness to break with US foreign policy.”
No
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the occurrence of the events thereof
“Despite claims to the contrary”, to grossly simplify Wittgenstein, a word’s meaning is how it is actually used.
You have to remember, the people making the tankie accusations consider anyone to the left of Joe Biden a tankie.
When hexbear federatedn with SJW, I spent a day arguing Russia invading is bad actually, North Korea isn’t a democratic utopia, and China isn’t a shining pillar of socialism. Then I blocked them all because that was exhausting. So idk if hexbear is still so tankie, but they definitely were at that point.
I have a very different experience. When Hexbear was still federated with the large instances it was total mayhem. They would turn every thread political, constantly spam images of dictators like Stalin and Mao, and swarm anyone who disagreed. I’ve seen them deny the wrongdoings of China and the Soviet Union quite often, which is probably also what’s necessary if you spam Mao and Stalin unironically.
I’m quite left of center myself, at least relative to most people I know in real life. But these people seemed totally insane. It was probably also a numbers game, since Hexbear was relatively large at the time compared to basically every other instance. So maybe this was just an annoying minority. But nevertheless I’d never purposefully go there, and I’d recommend anyone to stay away. It’s way better than for instance a Trumpist/far-right instance, but I’d rather avoid both.
I’m quite left of center myself
lol, every time.
I’m aware that to the far left everyone who doesn’t want to abolish capitalism is considered right wing. I mean the normal (Dutch) political spectrum. Social democratic
normal (white, western, neoliberal) political spectrum.
I’m kinda far left myself, I think capitalism is a pretty cool guy
Brother you literally cannot be pro-capitalist and be left wing.
That does sound bad. If that was my experience, I guess I might actively try to avoid them too. But as it happens, I just rarely see any hexbear stuff anyway. So the fueling of cross-instance conflicts feels unnecessary and a bit icky to me.
I mean, most of the communities are on .world, and if they’re not federating with .world, they’re just not going to show up in the majority of comment sections.
But also, HB is much more of a communal space than most of the big instances, and much more aligned on how they engage with off-site content. And as the fediverse grows horizontally, a significant part of it probably going to be through focused instances, rather than more general purpose sites. We have those covered already, and most of the people interested in something like that aren’t going to leave Reddit anytime soon.
They have what they want.
This means there will be more “we don’t want to host this kind of content” discussions over time, not fewer. The fediverse will look more patchwork, not less.
Try criticizing .ml on an .ml sub and you’ll start to taste the authoritarianism
Based
Perhaps that’s because your instance is defederated from them? They were all over the place before most other major instances defederated from them. They are still all over the place if you’re on an instance that federates with them. I had to manually block their bullshit when I was on Yiffit. I don’t have to on Pawb or Lemmy.World.
lemm.ee federates with all three of the mentioned instances, so they are definitely seeing the posts from those instances.
I’ve seen a few. They are mostly just anti American (fair enough). They often miss the point that something being anti American doesn’t mean they are not their own empire with its own problematic takes.
Yiffit was never federated with any of them, none of them federate with porn instances.
Them not federating with another instance doesn’t stop other instances seeing their content. It only stops their instance seeing the blocked instance’s content.
If instance A isn’t federated with instance B, nobody from instance B sees instance A’s content. That is different from a block.
The tankies are pretty bad on the world politics community on ml.
The politics community on world is even more rabid and unconstructive than the Reddit equivalent
Hexbear defederated from my instance for being authoritarian Nazis. What triggered this decision? A vote organised by the instance’s admins, to choose whether or not to defederate from the bears. You cannot make this shit up.
Oh and the vote itself was started because of them brigading us, calling us a bunch or Nazis. So, yeah.
Huh, that sounds pretty bad, let me look that up. Oh wait, it’s a total lie.
My personal opinion, for those who are interested, is that these two instances (Hexbear and Lemmygrad) are filled with what we call here nazbols, tankies, or even left-wing fascists.
“It came from the statement made in the thread that hexbear was ‘aggressively pro-trans,’ which seemed quite disgusting and fetishizing to me. This aligns with the rest of the authoritarian theme of the instance, you might say, having the perspective that one must make a superhuman effort to allow a minority to use a space.”
-jlai.lu admin’s vichy ass.
You cannot make this shit up.
Really? Seems like you can and did.
I’d rather have the wild west of ideas over reddit. So I don’t mind em
I’m jealous, I keep seeing them everywhere. As for the blocking, I’ve tried to block .ml several times but for some reason it hasn’t worked. -_-
Please see my guide posted earlier in this comment section. I hope you can block .ml soon, as it is your lemmy and you should use it how you want. Block me too, thanks.
Thanks for the guide, but I’ve already done exactly that and yet it never works for some reason.
Yep. The few I see are easily ignored. Or poked if you want to set them off.
In the past week I caught a 7 day ban for “misinformation” (x3, then for reposting a link to the mod logs, “skirting the rules”, “repeated offenses” etc.) from /c/WorldNews for accusing Democrats of being complicit in the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. An actual fact - tens of billions of dollars in arms sent to an ongoing genocide/ethnic cleansing by Biden. No problems like that on lemmy.ml. That really says it all for me. Lemmy’s basically just a fediverse reddit, with the same mod structure - if mods abuse their power, and admins don’t keep them in check, it’s time to ditch the instance.
By the way, Lemmy itself was created by Dessalines, the admin of lemmy.ml. Who I collaborated with briefly on building some of the UI that you’re using right now to read this. Very thorough guy.
didn’t realize that reddit actually did me a favour by giving me the boot. lemmy is way better
Authoritarian bootlickers is ironic, while at leats the Americans are watch their country go full authoritarian fascist right now.
Love everything about reddit but inexplicably wish to leave it?
Hate the idea of an english speaking internet that doesn’t slavishly adhere to the party line of the US alphabet agencies?
Do you think the parable of the nazi bar is bunch of hokum?
Do you have shrieking anger towards people who refused to support genocide while having shrieking anger at (usually the same) people rejecting decades long debunked accusations of genocide made by the perpetrators of aforementioned genocide?
Join the lemmyverse! We have racism! We have homophobia! We have trans misogyny! We have daily 5 minutes hate!
And if anyone tells you different, have you considered they’re a paid shill by the notorious gay sex haver Putler??
If I were criticizing various nations more than the U.S., I wouldn’t shame people for “authoritarian bootlicking”. Glass houses and all that.
This seems like an odd message considering that Lemmy, as software, is being praised here; and what is being criticized are instances wherein the admins enforce apologism for authoritarian regimes.
If someone writes a program you like, it means they’ve got good political ideas. /s
Tankies aren’t communists.
“Tankie” is a pejorative that basically looks like an exact replica of McCarthy’s strawman of a Communist. The purpose of the term is to claim the accused that they genuinely hold those McCarthyian characteristics, regardless of reality. It shuts down conversation because it would be inconvenient to have those conversations, it’s a thought-terminating cliché more than a real thing.
Here are some thoughts:
Marx said communism is stateless
The state won’t wither away if you keep defending its right to use force
The vanguard party must either accept revolution against themselves so that society can become more communist, or become reactionary tyrants
Modern Russia isn’t fucking socialist, you don’t need to defend it anymore
State capitalism isn’t socialism. State socialism requires robust democracy
Every actual successful communist nation that reached communism didn’t have a vanguard state
Being an enemy of the West doesn’t mean a country inherently deserves your support. That’s how voting works, it’s not how international relations work
Trump is planning to displace the Palestinians and make Gaza a US colony, and Lemmy’s Marxist-Leninist community tried to help him
Having a small movement with little power isn’t an excuse for making bad decisions. Take responsibility for your actions
Drag is not seeking to have an argument about each and every one of these points. Drag is seeking to prove that “tankie bad” is not a thought terminating cliche as you said. Drag has plenty of thoughts, and has already discussed them exhaustively on this platform. And this list of thoughts isn’t an invitation to sealion.
Of course drag isn’t inviting to sealion, drag is gish-galloping and isn’t interested in any conversation. drag has proven this, from defending Nazi-led pograms as “true revolution” to pretending Marx was an Anarchist and wanted full decentralized horizontalism, rather than full centralization and democratization as industry gets ever more complex.
drag is therefore either uninterested in genuine conversation, or is a troll.
Marx said communism is stateless
every type of leftism that im aware of except for social democrats want to achieve a stateless society. to be fair im not sure if social democrats can even be considered leftists.
Different leftists have a different idea of what constitutes the “State” and what “Statelessness” looks like. For Marxists, the State is the oppressive elements of class society like millitarized police and armies that can only go away once the world is fully publicly owned and planned, and becomes classless. Anarchists however have an issue with hierarchy, rather than class, and want full decentralization and horizontalism. For a Marxist, Anarchism isn’t “stateless” as it retains class distinctions (each commune is interested in its own success), Anarchists obviously would see Marxism as not truly stateless.
This difference is why a lot of conversations go nowhere between some Marxists and Anarchists.
i generally lean ML, but both of these are stateless to me? isnt this really about horizontal vs hierarchical power?
If we are to agree with Engels, Communes (or cooperatives) consist entirely of Petite Bourgeoisie, unless there is no interaction outside said commune. Trade between communes implies each commune wishing to get more out of the trade, which implies differences in material wealth in communes that can then escalate into Capitalism. It isn’t what we think of as a State, but some form of armed millitia must be maintained to enshrine ownership within a commune, and not outside it, ergo a state enforcing class distinctions.
Really, though, I think the term “stateless” brings ideological baggage rather than logical. What’s important is the structures themselves, not how we wish to label them. Conversations around “true” Communism or whatnot inevitably fall into ideological debate based in idealism, rather than a logical analysis of material conditions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the occurrence of the events thereof
Yeah, at this point the word “tankie” is used so liberaly that communists are just one type of “tankie”.
Karl Marx said communism is stateless. Tankies are named after their support of soviet tanks to put down revolutions. That’s the opposite of stateless.
Lol, well I guess there are no communists then, because not even Marx himself, as nonone has achieved statelessness.
Also, what a stupid image, it’s literally just horseshoe theory with “I’m on of the good leftists” liberal boot licking thrown in
Well except for the Catalonians, the Haudenosaunee, the Australians, the Polynesians…
Ok, I think I’m comfortable resting my case that you contorting the meaning of the word ‘communist’ beyond reason.
Catalan made their own “state” that’s not stateless. Humans need societies and structures, we aren’t tigers, we’re weak hairless monkeys.
Marx also described the State as the elements of government that entrench class distinctions like private property rights and armies, but that such a state could only wither away once all industry was publicly owned and controlled. Marx believed the workers needed to be armed and protect revolution.
This has also been explained before, but one of the “revolutions” you defended was led by Nazis that were marking the doors of Jews and Communists, and had started lynching them.
or “tankie” is just a type of communist. who knows at this point.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the occurrence of the events thereof
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the occurrence of the events thereof
Dude you know what I mean, don’t be the ACKSHUALLY guy
FOSS isn’t Soviet style state capitalism / socialism either.
Ok man, you do you.
I checked you profile, in 4 months you have 3 times the comments I wrote in 3 years and you answered my comment within 1 minute.
I strongly suggest a healthy cure of touching grass.Drag suggests you learn what a dude, guy, or man is, and why perhaps you shouldn’t call strangers those words, especially after investigating their profiles and most likely realising they’re nonbinary.
Yeah I’m sorry, I wasn’t trying to misgender you, in my language all of those are intended as gender neutral. And please don’t feel my suggestions are something meant to attack you, just don’t focus on small details to avoid listening what other people are really meaning to say.
I would argue FOSS is more akin to cooperative anarchism or library economics. Murray Bookchin
i agree, commies trying to claim FOSS is really a stretch, they are desperate to pretend to be relevant
Speaking of pretending to be relevant, how ancient are you that you still use the word “commies”?
do you prefer the more current term marxist-lenninist like lee oswald?
true though, isn’t it, not being relevant since roughly… 89?
Least incoherent reactionary
I see calling people “tankies” is the “woke” of the Fediverse.
Yeah I’m a bit lost on why someone’s instance automatically = their entire identity. Wouldn’t that means 1) technically we are all tankies on a tankie platform and 2) I need to start learning Finnish?
Lemmy.ml admins remove content critical of the CCP, and similar things. The admins of most other instances don’t do that shit.
Grad is much the same, while Hexbear is just 4chan for Stalinists.
No I know, but I’m not interacting with the admins of .ml, and I haven’t really seen anything from the average .ml user that isn’t your run of the mill leftist talking points I see all over Lemmy. They’re not censoring or banning me from posting Winnie the Pooh, you know? Your experience may be different.
I have no idea what grad and hexbear are, I’ve never seen those instances and I’m assuming my admin already defederated from them. They’re pretty reasonable in that regard.
Maybe I should learn Finnish in their honour…
They’re not censoring or banning me from posting Winnie the Pooh, you know? Your experience may be different.
I mean, unless you frequent .ml communities, they can’t censor or ban you.
That’s the thing though. Those .ml communities end up quietly curated to curb any criticism of the admins’ favorite authoritarians. Highlighting this fact is necessary, and participating in .ml communities is undesirable at best; those who still wish to do so should at least be informed as to what goes on.
Oh I see what you’re saying. I agree about the communities, but I was speaking more about the users from .ml getting blasted in communities outside .ml simply because they are from that instance (like in this thread).
If the users from there are participating in communities from outside that instance and following the rules, why does it matter if they’re from .ml? They’re not in the censored community, we’re not in the censored community, who cares what the .ml admin are doing?
If the users from there are participating in communities from outside that instance and following the rules, why does it matter if they’re from .ml?
Communities shape how people think and act. Normalizing bootlicking for authoritarian regimes causes those who participate in those communities to feel and reproduce that normalization. Not only that, but when grad and Hexbear were defederated by many instances, many users on Grad and Hexbear created accounts on .ml for the explicit purpose of continuing the authoritarian apologia they so enjoyed in the exact places that told them they weren’t welcomed. At some point, pattern recognition sets in, and it’s not inherently wrong for it to do so.
I don’t think every .ml user is an authoritarian. But if I see someone making authoritarian apologia, I’d say a good 4/5s of the time, it’s someone from .ml.
Communities shape how people think and act. Normalizing bootlicking for authoritarian regimes causes those who participate in those communities to feel and reproduce that normalization.
Sure, but only if they’re solely in those echo chambers, which if they’re posting in .world, they clearly aren’t. And any ones who do are told off because of the content of their posts, not their home servers.
I see quite a few inflammatory posters from .world and .ee (especially of the American exceptionalism, anti-Palestine, and more recently anti-Canadian (🤭) varieties) but I don’t automatically assume every single person on those servers hold those values. In fact, I think 9/10 comments I see you post specifically, PugJ, I agree with.
I had no idea about the Hexbear/lemmygrad lore though, I’ll definitely keep that in mind going forward.
Yeah I randomly picked an instance when I created this account around a year ago, and these days I see people comment things like “lol of course you’re from .ml”.
I don’t even know what’s the difference between instances. And it’s not like we were given a whole lot of explanation when picking one.
Woohoo for tribalism
Anyone who disagrees with their narratives is banned in hexbear. Ml was the default for a while so loads of people on there who have no idea what a tankie even is.
Dude, I got banned from hexbear also. Who cares? Let them run their instance the way they want. Instances are digital communes and should reflect the values of the members who are a part of it.
Not every instance is going to be for everyone. This is a good thing. That’s what the block function is for.
The feuders want the admins to dictate what you can and can’t see. One must question their motives considering there is a fully functional block feature at the user/community/instance level. Don’t like it? Block and move on. That’s all there should be to it.
No, it’s not how a platform should be run and I will continue pushing for better solutions and then using them.
The design is inherently limiting and stupid. You will just end up in the exact same situation as Reddit where a large percent of the discussion can be blocked at the will of some moron.
you seem to be getting hexbear confused with .world
- I need to start learning Finnish?
Good luck with that buddy. Look up “kuusi palaa”.
Yeah, hexbear and .grad seem to be mostly tankie users, but it seems much more split on .ml. The admins are questionable, and I’ve seen tankies there disproportionally, but since it was the default instance for a long time, there are also a bunch of non-tankie users. I think lumping .ml in with hexbear and .grad really downplays just how bad those two are.
Nah, they’re authoritarian genocide deniers.
The opposite of woke.
No, I mean it’s the new / local meme word to shut off conversation. And apparently used pretty much the same way right-wingers use it.
Ah! Yeah, that’s true
What? Those are the three instant where I see the least denial of the US and Israels genocide, and the least bootlicking of western authoritarianism.
The opposite of western bootlicking is not Russian bootlicking.
The irony of this is that not being a western bootlicker does automatically make you a Russian bootlicker, according to the people complaining about the “tankie triad”.
Wow, practically in the same breath as asking me to believe Putin’s “de-nazification”.
Oh, so turns out you can deny genocides then? Oh right, only if it’s not the west making the accusation.
So you think you really want to argue Putin’s illegal invasion of Ukraine, all the warcrimes Russians are pulling, and you’re gonna defend that by saying Russians are the heroically invading Ukraine to save Ukraine?
Guess you haven’t yet understood the essence of Russian propaganda; deny and obfuscate, never actually answer anything.
Anyone actually engaging with any Russian propaganda knows it breaks down at the slightest touch.
I don’t want to take up the whole page with this, so I’ll just list the sub-headers;
Prohibited weapons, Abduction and deportation, Attacks on civilians, Unlawful wanton destruction or appropriation of property, Attacks on hospitals and medical facilities, Destruction of energy infrastructure, Destruction and theft of cultural heritage, Torture of civilians, Use of human shields, Sexual violence, Looting, Forced conscription, Mistreatment of prisoners of war, Genocide
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine
We all know Ukraine is the good side. They may have some baddies on their side (one battalion of crazy fucks), but Russia has way more companies filled with rapists, thieves, murderers taken out of prisons and shipped to the front.
Kindly fuck of to the front lines to feed the drones so we don’t need to hear from you anymore.
The USA, Israel, Russia, and China all support genocide.
Now you say it.
Ok senator McCarthy, not sure what that has to do with what I said. While you’re here, will you also condemn Ukraine’s Donbas genocide?
It’s 2025, everyone is both doing genocide and is denying genocide all of the time. Unfortunately that word no longer has any meaning.
It does have a definition though and there is still power in that.
Yes everyone is aware of this power so are using the word as a propaganda tool to further their causes. And everyone is aware that the word is being used as a propaganda tool.
The scary part is that by watering down the meaning of the word, it’s made actual genocide more likely. If everyone is constantly being accused of genocide all of the time then no one will know when an actual genocide is happening.
The only person watering down the word here is you?
If everyone is constantly being accused of genocide all of the time then no one will know when an actual genocide is happening.
If you can do something as simple as compare numbers (a skill taught in elementary school), you can know when genocide is happening, regardless of what other people around you try to weasel about what they believe the term to be.
There’s a shit ton of far-right and Sinophobic people on .world. They can’t abide anything that isn’t in line with whatever the CIA is saying.
I’ve been called a tankie in the same posts where I criticize the USSR and Russia, or when I say China isn’t inherently good or evil.
Tankies are to liberals what woke is to Republicans. Taking a term invented by a community, reclaiming it, giving it a new definition only used by them.
The tankie triad
making a bunch of forums seem so dark and mysterious
have you considered that some of us are just silly goofy girls
I will never understand how you would defend an instance that is not only deep in genocide denial and praise of authoritarian regimes.
But also one whose head admin (and main Lemmy dev unfortunately) is a transphobe
Transphobia is only unacceptable when it’s SHITLIBS who can be accused of it.
I am transfixed by their new obsession with women’s sports.
Remember when the WNBA was a punchline on Futurama? Where were these assholes then?
Those assholes don’t like women’s sports, they only use it as a stick to hurt those who are different from them.
First time reading the original statement, and this actually makes me less concerned. It isn’t secret knowledge that the capital has worked hard to reframe being left from wanting anti capitalist economic policies to mostly social issues without consequence such as inclusive language and skin color quotas. None of that addresses the real problem that is the capitalist system driving us all into servitude and the planet towards collapse.
This is also why the left is generally not considered attractive to the average voter. They don’t care about any of that social crap, they care about their own situation and how to improve that. And while inclusivity is important and a just cause it is entirely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things and not a valid agenda to run a political movement on.
The lives of every marginalized group of people will improve a hundred times more by toppling the system that keeps us all oppressed and unhappy, than by having the government use their preferred pronouns when letting them know they have to make do with less, again.
Just say you’re fine with bigotry as long as white dudes benefit in the way you want, it’s a lot faster and more intellectually honest.
Just say you’re fine with capitalism as long as lgbtq people are addressed in the way you want, it’s a lot faster and more intellectually honest.
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It’s way more fun to pretend hexbear and .ml are super dark and scary than to admit what they mostly actually are: leftist memes and shit posting.
Notice Beehaw’s not on the “good” list anymore? Wonder why they’re not on there…
I think Beehaw isn’t on the good list here because the account that shared the meme is on Lemmy World which isn’t federated with Beehaw.
So it’s a lack of knowledge of the users that left it off not any nefarious intent.
But that’s my 2 cents.
I thought Beehaw defederated from everyone else during the first mass reddit migration in 2023. It’s not surprising not a lot of people know about them.
I still get Beehaw posts on my instance too. They’re nice people.
Ya know what, I just looked at their instance page for the first time and their community rules show that they appear to have their head on straight and are setting good policy. I’ll have to try to get an account there and see what I’ve been missing.
They really are a community of nice people trying to protect their peace, as far as I’ve seen. They just defederated from instances with open registration due to influx of trolls, and a lot of users from those groups got offended over it. It was minor drama, but nothing offensive. It’s a bit sad that they’re still being vilified over it.
Got my account and started reading and posting today, and you’re right, they are nice people. I had somehow mixed up Beehaw and Hexbear in my head. Big mistake.
I may end up moving over there as primary just because I’m so tired of the trolls myself.
Not us 🫶 I enjoy the Beehaw communities I subscribe to
Beehaw is like the Elks Lodge of the Lemmyverse. From the outside they look exclusive, mysterious, and enticing. Inside, there’s just a few drunk guys singing karaoke.
At least that’s my assumption. They wouldn’t let me in because I refused to write a paragraph about why I wanted to join an instance that I knew virtually nothing about. Even the Elks Lodge wasn’t that picky.
They still federate with some instances. They’re just like everyone else, but have strict rules about not being a jerk.
I knew of Beehaw, but they got left off mostly because last I heard they were extremely selective on who they federated with.
My personal opinion of Beehaw is, I have none unlike The Tankie Triad where i’ve experienced and seen the games they play. Then again, I think BH does fed with them, so if they’re so selective to do that…
This is why I’m glad I’m on lemme.ee, and I have the option to choose for myself as they don’t really defederate any of the main instances.
As far as it goes, I’m just here for good memes and good conversation. Anytime someone goes into tankie territory, I just go to another thread. Live and let live, even if I disagree (until someone verges into nazi territory).
This is why I’m glad I’m on lemme.ee, and I have the option to choose for myself as they don’t really defederate any of the main instances.
In this case the choice isn’t yours. I’m not aware of any server that defederated from Beehaw. Beehaw was the one that blocked most everyone else. They could choose to block lemm.ee if they wanted to for any reason.
It’s way more fun to pretend hexbear and .ml are super dark and scary than to admit what they mostly actually are: leftist memes and shit posting.
“Ha ha, we’re just having a little bit of fun denying the Uyghur genocide, praising North Korea, and saying Ukrainians deserve to be massacred 😊”
And yet, on other Lemmy instances like world, people will fight to the bitter end defending Joe Biden’s policy of enabling Israel. And if you dare suggest Kamala Harris was also going to keep supporting Israel, you’ll be crucified lmao.
I guess genocide is okay if it’s backed by a Western power (but only if a democrat is in charge).
Nah, fuck Biden’s and Harris’s handling of the situation. It was a disaster and needs to be called what it is.
But I think what you are suggesting is a disingenuous interpretation of what most people were saying during the US election. No one was suggesting that Biden/Harris were good for Palestine. Only that Trump would be much, much worse. And I feel like the events of the past few weeks have validated that fear, however horrifying that is to type out.
You’re not looking forward to a beachfront vacation, sleeping over the skeletons of dead little kids that we all helped pay to murder? What’s wrong with you?
I personally have seen nobody defending Biden’s enabling of Israel, I have seen a bunch of people choosing the lesser of two evils and getting chastised over it as if there was a magical third option (abstaining just enables trump stfu)
Yeah he’s full of it. Or maybe by “people” he means like, two people. lol
Ah yes. Feel smug about your moral victory of refusing to vote for Harris while Trump glasses Gaza and throws people into concentration camps at home.
I hate what has been and is happening to the Palestinians. But as a member of a targeted group I do not have any energy left to try any help them while trying to get myself and my friends to safty. As I tried to tell idiots would happen.
Also, Harris could have been swayed by public opinion. Trump cannot.
If Harris was gonna be swayed by public opinion, it would have happened after the massive protest vote in Michigan. It didn’t. It could have happened after polling showed how incredibly unpopular her Gaza policy was with her party base. It didn’t. And it didn’t change when she actually needed votes, it’s safe to say it never would have changed.
If Harris has been elected, a huge number of Democrats would be more than happy to sweep current events in Gaza under the rug, because now our person is in charge, and they can do no wrong.
Stop with your moral grandstanding. Harm reduction is a thing. Both are bad options, but even assuming she wouldn’t have been swayed things would still have been better than they are now. You can do your protest vote in the primary if you want, but those short-sighted actions in the general is how fascism has won.
Regardless, it really just feels like you decided to fuck over minority groups in the US while also making things worse for the Palestinians. Trump is gearing up to start WW3 and the only reason I think they aren’t going to nuke Gaza is because they want the land. Not that conventional weapons can’t do the same amount of damage.
Meanwhile, you throw women, immigrants, and trans people under the bus because you wanted to feel smug about something. Between wondering if I will be able to maintain rights, or even life, in the next 4 years on top of them literally tearing the government apart and doing damage that will take decades to fix, if it even can be fixed, I don’t see things getting back to even how they were a year ago in my lifetime, even if I manage to get to an old age.
I can only do what I can, and I can’t fight for people in another country when I’m worried about what is happening domestically. My focus has to be making sure my friends and I are safe. I am exhausted and have no energy left to spare for the Palestinians.
I hate that I have to make that decision, but people like you forced it on me. We told all of you this would happen, and you did not care. I can’t help Palestinians if I get arrested for existing or just murdered in the street.
They want to classify all trans people as porn, just for existing in public, and then execute “pornographers”, which will largely just be queer people they just arbitrarily classified as porn. It’s literally what the Nazis did.
So I really have no sympathy left. Honestly, I’m pretty sure much of the people who refused to vote over Gaza likely just fell for a right wing campaign to split the left. If so, it worked and you fell for it. The people who aren’t Trump supporters and didn’t vote for Harris are short sighted fucking idiots.
I have no more energy to coddle people like you and if me calling you out for stupidity for letting fascism win “pushes” you to the far right, then you never actually had any principals.
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There is nothing left about promoting anarchy for your enemies and authoritarianism for your allies.
Hexbear does nothing but sit around all day sucking Xi Jinpings cock and praising Trump, and ML is just that but slightly watered down.
Notice Beehaw’s not on the “good” list anymore? Wonder why they’re not on there…
As far as I understood at the time, Beehaw cut themselves off from just about everyone else in the fediverse. If they want to make that choice I respect their position but its sending the message they’re not interested in interacting with most others. If someone tells you to go away and they don’t want to talk to you, I’m not going to chase them and try and change their mind. I’m going to let them go do whatever they want to do and I’ll do my own thing with most everyone else.
have you considered that some of us are just silly goofy girls
Who play apologist for genocide and fascism.
Hai im a silly girl
No mention of dbzer0. com anywhere in the meme or text? To any newcomers, if you wouldn’t download a car then you don’t need to know about that instance.
Lol I made the original meme and text, I kinda just brain dumped the instances from the top of my head, the hope was others would chime in with their fav instances/comms and add to the list
Happy to report that Zip has been quite enjoyable.
It must be the chunk of land they’re sitting on. Just can’t see it because the full text can’t be read in its entirety from that close up.
If someone’s identity is based on hating tankies, then they’re mostly likely right-wing (aka liberal).
I don’t like tankies either but they’re just more right-wingers to me. Just the alt-imperial version of liberals. That’s why libs get so mad.
Imma be honest, I don’t think .ml belongs on there. Their users can be pretty cool.
.ml is a cesspool
Block it then
I mean you say that, but it’s not like every community on .ml is focused on politics man. Their largest communities are mostly about tech. And they have a pretty cool, albeit somewhat inactive datahoarders community, of whom I think some are helping with redundant archival of datasets being erased by Trump’s administration.
Edit Addendum: For anyone who has the storage space, I would consider helping out with the effort.
If tankies are right wing, liberals are right wing, not to mention those who are actually right-wing outside of your head-canon, who is not right-wing?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the occurrence of the events thereof
Days since Ive seen posts mocking tankies: 0
