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  • I’m not going to say it was your intention, but it reads like “immigrants are lowering the literacy rate”. It’s something I’ve seen too often.

    I’m having trouble seeing the mental gymnastics to get that reading when I’m saying that the immigrants are unfairly being called illiterate, when they ARE literate, just in a different language.

    The emphasis is because “American” is not the same as “foreign-born resident”.

    I’m discarding any of the statistics from that page I linked because I don’t trust their methodology. I linked it not to support OPs argument about the rate if illiteracy, but to discredit it for being questionable based. The stats from my linked page match much of the stats from their linked page. My guess is that both draw from the same flawed measures and should not be trusted.


  • Of course it is a low confidence answer for that non-English but literate population. I’m not saying that 100% of those called illiterate are actually literate in another language. I’m saying that the statement that the illiteracy rate is as high as posted is likely wrong because it only accounts for English.

    The “may” statement you’re taking issue with is a quick attempt to find out possibly how big that non-English but literate population might be. Its not a definitive answer. You’re welcome to spend your time chasing a more precise number. I’d exhausted my interested when I got my number.



  • The percentage of the population that’s illiterate is way higher than it has any business being.

    Like “can’t read at an elementary school level”.

    “There are three kinds of lies: Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics” - Mark Twain

    Not in your link, but I found the same statistics as your link in another with a critical piece of information:

    “According to researchers, 4 out of 5 Americans 18 and over possess medium to high proficiency in English reading and writing.” source

    These statistics, both your link and mine, may only be measuring literacy in English.

    So looking to get a clue how many may have literacy in another language:

    “Today, 13.8 percent of the nation’s residents are foreign-born” source

    So at least a percentage of those being counted as USA illiterate may indeed be literate in another language that isn’t English.








  • Curious how you calculated that? What system load is it based on? Idle? Max?

    Very much an estimate because OP didn’t mention what generation DL360 they had, how many CPUs, drives, etc. So I assumed 120W continuous 24/7/365 consumption which is pretty low. Assuming 22 cents per KWh for midwest, 33 cents/KWh for Boston and 44 cents/KWh for California.

    OP is likely drawing much more than my estimate.



  • I have 4 DL360s with 96GB RAM each to run a K8s cluster with a handful of containers

    If someone is paying you to host those and covering your costs, go wild! However, as a hobby you may be spending $925/year or more for electricity to run those in the Midwest. $1,387 if you’re living in Boston, $1,850 if you’re living in California.

    In one year you may have been able to buy more new power efficient hardware from just what you’re spending on juice.


  • I have been an IT professional since 1995. Never have I ever had a personal PC that wasn’t either a refurbished laptop or some sort of Frankenstein abomination that I pit together from whatever was on sale and upcycled parts.

    I’ve been in the game for about the same amount of time. I stopped doing that about 15 years ago when I saw that the electricity I was paying on older gear was equaling or exceeding the cost of buying newer, faster, and lower power consumption hardware.





  • Most laws aren’t retroactive. If you do the thing before it’s illegal, then you skated by. That could very easily be the answer here, especially as most all the physical automation is barely existent. If a company deploys now, they don’t pay the tax, but they will when they upgrade models.

    You’ll need to provide your definition of “physical automation” for the purposes of your argument. As it stands that is NOT clear, which is part of the quagmire of all the Automation Tax approaches.

    As to code automation, same rules apply. Excel macros get by, but I would apply the tax on companies that replace white collar jobs via SaaS or other applications as their core businesses model,

    What does this mean? If a company is still running on-prem MS Exchange servers for company email, then the law passes, then the company switches to Office365 for email instead, does your law hit that company with an Automation tax? If so, how would the tax be applied? Amount of spend on Office365? Amount spent on salaries of former MS Exchange administrators? How long would the tax apply? A year? Forever?

    What I’m also seeing is that all encumbant companies (shielded from the automation tax because they already put automation in place) would have an advantage forever against existing companies trying to make automation changes (and being hit with the tax).

    Another loophole I see is companies completely liquidating or selling to a newly formed company so that there are “no jobs lost to automation, because this company from day 1 has always used automation”.

    or for that line of buisness for vendors that do a lot of things. It would have to be refined as to where you draw the line, but you could.

    I don’t know what this means.

    Can you give a concrete example of your Automation tax? Situation before your law goes into place, the law passing, then the Automation tax a company would pay when they make a specific change in your example?


  • The automation tax that gates/etc proposed to fund UBI/social support networks is making more and more sense.

    I’m all for UBI, but the automation tax is a quagmire.

    In this theoretical new tax, tell me what qualifies to be taxed?

    • An Atlas autonomous robot? Sure, absolutely. How about instead a hydraulic arm that is controlled by a human? Previously there were 4 humans that moved the widget from A to B, but now they have 1 human operating a joystick for a net loss of 3 jobs. Is that taxed?
    • How about an Excel macro? Prior to the macro, there was one person filling in the spreadsheet the entire 8 hour workday. Now that person was replaced with an Excel macro that runs in 5 minutes with one click. That is automation too right? What would you tax? The cost of the person replaced?
    • Who pays the tax? A company that buys an Atlas robot after the law is passed? Absolutely. How about a company that bought Atlas robots 24 hours before the law passed? How about the company that bought them a year before the law passed? Now apply the Excel macro automation. Excel macros have around since the 1990s. Are you going to go back to the first macro run and tax every company retroactively? How about if the macro only does part of the work?

    Automation tax is a nice idea but a nightmare to try to make in policy. Additionally, it will have a stifling effect on any business efficiency efforts after it exists.

    If the tax is based upon workers losing their jobs to automation, it will have a massive knock on effect limiting new hires. A company would be very leery of hiring a worker if they could be accused (and taxed) of automation replacement when that worker is let go.