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James Donald Bowman is a sad excuse for a human being. I will always remind people of his real name he got from his deadbeat father and the mother he’s slandering here. Just to cuck for another asshole named Donald.
Join me in deadnaming him!
I’m just saying. She could have totally stole them from Mexicans.
Which would technically not be a lie.
He grew up in Middletown, Ohio. Even if she hadn’t been stealing drugs from patients, I know the drug scene there well enough to know plenty of dealers are white. But also the opiate epidemic in the rust belt wasn’t some cartel thing, it’s simple: the jobs left, nobody had any hope left, and suddenly that injury you got from doing manual labor for years wound up with this new painkiller the doctor was told isn’t addictive.
FYI, fentanyl is used in US hospitals as the cheapest opiate. Excess OD deaths from fentanyl tend are only ever caused by it being “accidentally present” in another drug. Paying the Taliban to grow opium for US export (they can still prevent local sales) could be a viable path to affordable US healthcare without fentanyl. Much US supply of fentanyl is stolen from legal hospital supplies.
If there was a real national emergency for fentanyl from Canada, a war on hospitals providing 100x the fentanyl that is seized on Canadian border to tax them an extra 25% is going to get them back to using morphine/oxy whatever that costs.
Fentanyl is not the cheapest opiate in US hospitals, and is not used as a substitute for morphine or oxycodone. It’s primarily used for anesthesia, where oxycodone/hydrocodone/morphine/hydromorphone are used in the units as pain killers taken orally. Injectable hydromorphone is cheaper and more commonly used for acute pain than fentanyl.
Source: work in a hospital pharmacy
Ok thank you. I’ve known patients who lived for a month receiving constant fentanyl that month.
Opiates for anasthesia? surprising. What previous “gas”/process did it replace?
Politician lying?! That’s unpossible!
Let’s explore this.
If we agree to entertain his lie for a moment, and the further implication that the people supposedly supplying her with drugs were responsible for her OD, doesn’t that same logic make gun dealers responsible for shootings?
*gasp*
Logic!
Get ‘em! [*crashing, yelling, trampling noises*]
Nah, guns don’t kill people, just the bullets fired out of them kill. No one very died from a gun itself
Then it’s because of whoever sold the bullets.
Anyone beaten to death with the pistol grip or rifle stock would like to have a word with you.
That would require necromancy
Or stabbed by a bayonet
Is that the gun killing you tho? If it’s affixed, does it count as the gun or just a knife kill?
Spear kill.
I think an attachment would still count as the gun doing it.
If we consider the gun ‘attached’ to the handler, would that put the blame back on the person? Or maybe we ought to consider the handler as part of the gun itself.
Neither the gun alone nor the person alone would have killed. Therefore, the dangerous thing is the COMBINATION of gun + person. In conclusion, we shouldn’t ban guns, just make it illegal for people to interact with them in any way.
Or the military personnel shot by misfiring pistols when they drop them.
And surely someone in history has been killed by knocking over a rack of guns and being clobbered.
You don’t need gun control. You know what you need? We need some bullet control.
Not quite in that form, but targeting restrictions on ammunition moreso than the guns themselves is part of my view on that issue. The country is full of guns already, they last practically forever with maintenance, and at the end of the day they’re basically just a sturdy tube with some hardware to set the bullet off, and as such it would be difficult to stop illicit manufacturing (3d printed guns and zip guns come to mind). Bullets are at least consumable, require explosive chemicals to make and a gun won’t fire without them. If you make it difficult to acquire large amounts at once, then it doesn’t matter as much if a gun is modified to be fully automatic either.
That’s fair, it’ll also mean that the equivalent of ghost guns will be a sight to see given that making your own smokeless powder is very difficult but making your own black powder is just a pain in the ass (the only component that’s easy to restrict can be extracted from human biological waste). And as far as I’m concerned, if you want to make black powder cartridges so much you’re willing to process urea into saltpetre go ahead. You aren’t getting a modern mass shooting like that
Let’s not bother, not only do they don’t care about hypocrisy, double speak is actually their superpower
No, because drug dealing in this context is hurting someone to exploit them for profit while gun dealers are performing an important service to their communities. You wouldn’t consider a grocery store responsible for someone’s obesity because they sold flour.
Nah, it says on this piece of paper that it’s different.
Remember when Republicans got mad at politicians lying to them? “Read my lips, no new taxes”
plot twist: those patients where mexican
but when were they Mexican?
who were they mexican?
if your mom is stealing medication, which it sounds like from a hospital and using it on herself, with no proper diagnosis/condition, its ON HER if she almost dies from it.
“If I have to create stories so that the American media actually pays attention to the suffering [I just made up and is not the reality] of the American people [because, again, – and I cannot stress this enough – I created it and it did not actually happen], then that’s what I’m going to do.”
That’s some real hillbilly shit right there.
Come listen to my story 'bout a man named Jd
Some say his love for couches was strong, some say his lust for couches was strong, the only thing that is certain is he’s fucked a sofa or two.
The song needs to be an elegy.
I found the full story here https://crooksandliars.com/2024/07/jd-vance-called-out-over-lie-about-his
Blaming Mexicans as a people for the acts of a few? Monstrous and inane. Not a rational thought process for a healthy individual
Stealing drugs from your patients? Monstrous but sympathy-worthy. Opiate addiction is life ruining, and I blame pharmaceutical companies and bodily destructive American work culture for this. I hope she has stayed far away from the medical field since then, for her benefit and for everyone else’s.
Lying about one to cover up the other in order to renew a race war? Just evil.
How is a care provider stealing medication from patients sympathy-worthy? That situation is way worse than someone just stealing drugs because a care provider has legal and ethical obligations to care for a patient.
I think it’s sympathy worthy because of the fact she wasn’t doing it to spite her patients. She was doing it because she was suffering from an addiction, and addiction makes people do things that they wouldn’t normally do.
So it’s humanizing his mother and saying she was someone who was caught up in something that was too big for her to control and that is sad.
That doesn’t excuse the fact that she raised a piece of shit child, or that she hurt people from her addiction. It just sets all of that to the side to focus on the one specific thing that someone with empathy can sympathize over.
I fully agree with you. I am a recovering addict in a substitution program (my doctors hooked me up with fent matrix patches to control my back pain which i started to abuse), and while i did not steal because medication is cheap where i live, i lied to so many doctors to get my fix and i lied to everyone around me to cover up for my fucked up state. Before, i was pretty much someone who wouldn’t have considered going to a doctor and lying to him to get meds - addiction brought out the worst in me.
As someone who grew up with a sibling who became an addict, leading them from being just a regular asshole to being downright abusive on top of all of the theft, volatility, and other drug-related issues…
Yeah. Still, it took me some 15 years or so to reach that line of relative forgiveness.
Addicts deserve sympathy, of course. Medical professionals, who get high by stealing from patients while they’re supposed to be working with said patients, DO 👏 NOT 👏 DESERVE 👏 SYMPATHY 👏. She was responsible for the health and well-being of vulnerable people and she took advantage of that in two different ways. Fuck that, fuck her.
Because it’s driven by intense desperation. You don’t help addicts by ambushing them, you help them by understanding what’s caused them to be the way that they are and how to break their system of dependence. You can’t advance as a society without being able to break unhealthy cycles. So yes, monstrous but sympathy-worthy
It makes JD even more of a piece of shit because how do you grow up around something like that and then go to work for the party who’s protecting those companies from being held liable for their epidemic. This fentanyl bullshit is all a smokescreen to protect pharma and make people forget the problem was HOME GROWN.
I’m sure you don’t mean it that way, but I think even the phrase “be the way that they are” is lacking empathy and looking at it the wrong way. It’s not about the way that they are; it’s about the way that they are handling the stressors in their life.
I lacked the verbiage to describe what I meant in the 30 seconds I had available to reply. It was just vaguely phrased, but you’re right
No. I said that a medical professional who steals from patients is not sympathy-worthy, and that is not ambushing anyone. Also I didn’t say that people who are dealing with addiction are not worthy of sympathy. She is however, an asshole because she is a medical professional who harmed patients. “You don’t help addicts by ambushing them, you help them by understanding what’s caused them to be the way that they are and how to break their system of dependence.” —you, putting a lot of words and concepts into my post that I didn’t say or endorse and that makes what I said look negative and makes you look good. You can’t advance a society without breaking your own unhealthy cycles of lying for Internet points.
You’re digging into my extreme time crunch comment and finding hard nuggets. I assure you, each and every one of them was a kernel of corn. I wasn’t attacking you, I just had 30 seconds to explain addiction counseling to someone without a visible understanding of it.
“I just had 30 seconds to explain addiction counseling to someone without a visible understanding of it.”
Lol you’ve completely misrepresented what I said in my comments and supplanted your own reality to, again, make yourself look good. And a visible understanding of addiction counseling? Lol. Lamo even. We at no point were talking about addiction counseling.
I don’t mean to sound rude, but I don’t see this conversation going anywhere positive. You’re entirely too upset and I’m entirely too indifferent. If anyone asks, tell them you won this conversation and I’ll corroborate. Here’s an updoot
To be fair, I suspect he’s talking about the heroin after she was fired from her nursing job for stealing drugs.
But her addiction is what almost killed her. The (dubious) nationality of the dealers is irrelevant.
Don’t MAGA believe all drug users are criminals?
She’s a heroin user and get her ass locked up.
Lucky she’s not in El Salvador right now.
Rush Limbaugh believed that, right up until his opiate addiction became public knowledge, then again after he got clean.
Why would you be fair?
Because with morons we are dealing with if they can find one flaw they won’t believe any part of a logically laid out argument.
JD Vance is popular because to stupid insecure men he seems like at the very least an awkward social person, yet they think in a debate he is a “bulldog” that goes after the “facts”.
TLDR: they suck so bad they don’t even know they suck and why
If she was that desperate, odds are good she sucked a few dicks for drugs, too. Surely not news to him, those trailer walls are thin.
That would probably happen after she got caught stealing from patients. Which he may have still been around for–I don’t know the details.
I wonder who JD’s father really is…
He’s a dead ringer for Rush Limbaugh.
