Sure, there was the attempted assassination of Reagan and the fears for Obama as the first black President, but in those cases it was a lone nutter rather than a conspiracy.

How long can Trump crash the market before an angry billionaire decides to take him out? The remaining Koch brother is already pouring money into legal challenges against Trump…

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    very small… I mean, can you imagine the accuracy needed for a bullet to find his brain?

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      Well how many bullets to the ass do you think it would take to put a man down? Especially considering the generous proportions of Trump’s rump.

      Its a target you can’t miss.

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      The area a sniper shoots to hit is about the size of a peach pit and isn’t actually a part that’s involved in cognition but rather it does all the autonomic shit you need to survive.

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    100% chance but mostly because i think that the plan

    1. Let trump do what he want
    2. Kill trump
    3. Put a puppet like vance in is place
    4. Use trump death to do what they want with the reason of stopping the big bad left
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    Highly unlikely and I hope to god it doesn’t happen. Imagine the hagiography that would surround the piece of shit were that to happen.

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      MAGA is pretty much entirely a cult of personality. Take out the Jim Jones, and they tend to go back into hiding. That’s the only hopeful part of all of this is that when Trump finally dies (by any means necessary), I’d bet everything that MAGA goes with him. Or at least as a political force. Hillibillies are still gonna hillbilly, but without Trump to embolden them, they’ll go back to ranting about 'libs after finishing up fucking their cousins and nothing more.

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      He’s a narcissist. It would be a good deterrent for other potential despots who are also self serving

      Not saying it should happen, just martyrdom is maybe the least among the consequences if it did

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    He’ll probably succumb to his lifestyle choices first. He might even get bird flu or a virus long thought eradicated. It would be really tragic if it was something climate related like his Florida home sinking into the ocean.

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    It’s hard to say. He’s definitely closer to it than any president since JFK. But security is way better these days. And before the FBI comes knocking on my door, this is just an objective analysis.

    We’ve already had a shooter with a near miss. So clearly there’s the will to do this among some segment of the population. Probably a conservative who feels betrayed or person who is truly far left, (not just a progressive).

    However, security during the campaign and for JFK was a lot less than it is now. It’s going to be a lot harder to get close enough with a rifle. If you think of a plan the USSS has already thought about it and probably has a counter of some sort.

    So while he’s definitely the closest, I don’t think we’ll see another president assassinated unless they do something truly stupid like gut the USSS.

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      We’ve already had a shooter with a near miss. … Probably a conservative who feels betrayed or person who is truly far left, (not just a progressive).

      That person had been searching for info on the schedules of both Biden and trump. That along with some of the other info we learned about him makes me think it wasn’t so much a partisan political motivation as the desire to become famous and/or take someone famous down on his way off the planet.

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        I mean, it takes all kinds right? A desire to go out big can manifest in so many ways and he didn’t go after an A list actor, or a CEO, or any number of other high profile people. There is a reason he decided on Trump, even if his original impetus was suicide.

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        But if the school shooting crowd decides that going after presidents gets them more attention, then only one of them has to get lucky.

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      That first attempt the shooter was seen beforehand and they did a quick check…he did end uo getting into position again AND took the shot.

      Needless to say when security is that incompetent, it is highly likely he’ll see his demise in such a manner.

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        That’s part of my point though, he’s going to have the very best and about ten times the people on the job as compared to his security detail back then.

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    A public assassination like Kennedy’s is meant to send a message. Trump would just have a cardiac event and never come out of the hospital. The real issue will be that he’s old and fat and eats trash, so he could have a legit health problem and die from natural causes easily at his age.

    But then, President JD Vance. I don’t think anyone but Peter Thiel and Elon Musk want that. Trump sucks, but he’s the devil you know. Vance could be turboHitler or just hand the whole country to Silicon Valley. Rule by ChatGPT may be the worst of all possible worlds.

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      YES. This guy gets it. Nobody understands how lucky we are to have this fuckwit as president. Do you see all these actual fascists constantly up in his prostate? Trump was a proof of concept. These taint-lickers are panting to have control. Let’s see how his mouth-breathing paint-eating constituency acts when this fat fuck is dead. Probably no different, but maybe.

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        Yeah but the difference is Trump has the magnetism and Vance doesn’t? Usually when a cult leader dies the whole cult kinda fizzles out.

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          Tell that to the Christians. You might even say their leader dying sparked the whole thing.

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          I think what you call “magnetism” is the balls to straight up lie to your supporters like they’re stupid. Seriously, I think Trump demonstrated that you can just say whatever feels good and people will accept it with zero regard for reality. That’s what was assumed false before Trump. I think they know the game plan now.

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            But he also says it stupid like them, in a way that can’t be faked. That’s why they love him. It’s the classic “wanting to hear your opinion in someone else’s voice”. They want to hear their shitty opinions in someone else’s voice. Except because they’re idiots, they get grammar and syntax wrong. Or they ramble through a dozen conspiracy theories in a single run on sentence. No one but trump can carry on the way he does (at least without a script).

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        Let’s see how his mouth-breathing paint-eating constituency acts when this fat fuck is dead. Probably no different, but maybe.

        Trump and the media have built a cult of personality around Trump. I don’t see how that power could transfer to another person, I can’t think of another person in the line up that has personality.

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          I disagree, and I’ll point you to down-ballot MAGA Republicans who are running and winning saying the same things. I strongly believe that this has nothing to do with Trump’s “personality”, it’s to do with what he was first willing to say and get away with. Nobody assumed you could get away with it and succeed.

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      Trump sucks, but he’s the devil you know. Vance could be turboHitler or […]

      I don’t buy that.

      Whoever would be able, and willing, and succeeding with the first one, is an evil person, and would already have a plan with the second one. An evil plan, I guess, that would make the second one scared enough to become that puppet.

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      Vance has no conviction behind anything he ever says. Just google “jd vance never trump” and I’m sure you’ll find a slew of videos from a few years ago where he was saying he’s “a never trump guy”.

      Kinda funny how quickly he spread his asshole to present himself for trump then.

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        Vance could be relatively good. Signs point to no, but those signs are weak. The only thing I truly know about him is that he’ll lie for power. What he does once he gets that power is anyone’s guess.

        He’s close to Peter Thiel. His book is really fucking condescending towards the rural poor. (Why don’t they just get out like he did?) He’s young enough to go for a second term if he gets half a first term. And he hates Trump except when he needs to use him to gain power.

        That’s the complete record of what we know about Vance. Maybe his book was bullshit that he knew would play well with rich conservatives. Maybe he was using Peter Thiel. Maybe there’s a human in there we’ve never seen. Or maybe not.

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      Trump crashing the economy, Trump dying from whatever, Vance taking over and taking credit for any kind of recovery sounds almost like its planned.

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        Nah. The damage Trump has done can’t be undone.

        Sure vance might replace him and take credit for any recovery, but this level of destruction was not planned.

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        President Mike Johnson outlaws women going out in public alone and institutes daily Bible reading classes. Attendance is mandatory if you don’t want to end up in an El Salvador slave prison.

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    Gotta also consider the odds that he’s not there for much longer anyway. The Project 2025/Heritage Foundation people got JD Vance in as VP as they wanted–he’s one of them.

    So I’ve been predicting since he won that the 25th Amendment will be used (if something else doesn’t happen to him), probably not until after the midterms so Vance can still run for 2 more terms. They need to set up the right conditions before ousting him, which will be making him look physically incapable of continuing, like saying he’s had a stroke or something. Congress/Senate has to believe it so they’ll go along with it.

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      If that’s really their plan, they’ll have a rude awakening. They created this monster, and you don’t replace the person at the center of a cult of personality that easily.

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        That’s why they can’t go with the obvious route of saying he has dementia issues–the cult wouldn’t hear of that. But he can conveniently have a debilitating event or illness. Sure, the cult will have conspiracy theories, which is why they have to be sure to make it look plausible. But even if they have to resort to him having an “unfortunate accident”, there’s nothing the cult can really do about it, he’ll be gone. He’s just too unpredictable and uncontrollable for them to let him keep going rogue so much. Destroying the global economy and causing a worldwide depression is not part of their plans.

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      This. I’m guessing the insiders and Mr. Moneybags are observing plenty of evidence of mental decay. Enough to invoke the 25th.

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        The 25th can be used for any reason, not just mental decay. We already know the magats are fine with the mental decay.

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    It’s probably pretty low. The secret service was already caught with their pants down once when that guy took a shot at Trump over the summer, so they’re probably going to be on high alert for a while. On top of that, Trump is better protected as the President than a candidate, with access to the White House, Air Force One, the Beast (his Limo), etc. There are probably more people who want to take a shot at him than other Presidents, but I doubt it’s gonna happen.

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      A counterpoint: unmanned technology has developed really fast recently. In old times, one had to be motivated as hell, because taking a shot at a president meant likely death.

      In our days, for a technically capable adversary, an attempt costs only moderate amounts, escape is far more likely, and tools can rigged with self-destruction mechanisms to considerably hinder evidence collection.

      I’d say that barriers are lower due to drones and robots. Then again, to get drones and robots pointed at oneself, one has to piss off people who have better things to do. That is, people who are unlikely to be desperate, since they could likely emigrate and find a well-paying job in a week.

      If I try to predict a profile, I come up with “a technically competent person with an incurable disease, no longer covered by health insurance”. Or perhaps “a war veteran with an incurable disease”.

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        Maybe, but I imagine the Secret Service has a drone-attack plan. I would guess that most of D.C. is probably a no-fly zone for drones, and they probably lock down the White House it anyone violates it. I think as long as he continues to split his time between Mar-a-Lago and the White House, Trump is relatively safe.

        If he starts doing more speaking tours, though, that might make him more vulnerable. There’s also a staggering amount of disorder and incompetence because of his attacks on federal workers and his terrible cabinet appointments, so I guess it’s possible he’s already opened himself up to security risks. Who knows.

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    Well, considering he was an inch or two away from already being in this category, I’d say higher than otherwise. You can also say that since this DID happen, he will have increased security making it less likely. So, I guess I’m not too sure.

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    I’ll be honest, seeing this sudden shift to openness talking about this when knowing how controlled the narrative is even here, makes me think this might actually be part of the narrative they’re now trying to push.

    I could definitely be wrong about that, but I’ve seen this brought up here a few times and even last night there was an AskReddit about what Americans would feel is the final straw to have Trump removed from power.

    I actually was talking about this in a post a few days ago. If Vance suddenly succeeded Trump as president, it would not fix anything, and it would likely make things much worse

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      Ok this might be my new favourite conspiracy

      Our universe is a simulation created by a group of facists that are using us to research how they can gain and maintain power. If a successful fascist regime takes hold then the experiment will be over and the simulation will be shut off, the only way to survive is to continue to fend off fascisum.