The annoying thing is it’s just one federated server with bot accounts. Wish with enough use or mod votes something we could automatically defederate

Ive seen those kind of posts all the way back to the reddit Exodus. No idea what their motives are even.

Oh, I saw that this morning and downvoted it. Fuck off, spammers.

The spam was George Floyd getting murdered by a Simpson cop’s dump truck. Just some racist loser with a grudge and some bots.

Yep and it’s people like OP that only serve to reinforce their us vs them mentality.

“If you criticize the bad stuff people do, they will just double down!” is the stupidest take of the last decade. It is an attempt to shut down any criticism by blaming the critic for pointing out the shitty people’s behavior.

There are plenty of good examples out there, they just aren’t edgy and engaging because being a decent person is not exciting.

Please, tell me more about your immunity to propaganda.

The reality is that there’s a lot of money to be made in telling young, single, socially removed men what they want to hear and there are just as many people ready to make that money.

Identifying a person as a victim of one thing isn’t an excuse for any other harm that they perpetuate.

Yeah, men policing other men’s commitment to masculinity, by mocking and putting others down and being violent, is an almost universal thing.

And also a disease. And it shouldn’t exist.

(I’m not implying you’re saying it should. I’m just stating it shouldn’t)

I mean the premise is flawed. The “neckbeards” are not intrinsically unlovable but they are getting duped into being annoying and problematic to people.

When you treat the attention of any kind of people as a status symbol or a commodity to use for bragging rights or prestige for others it’s not exactly fair to the people whom you are essentially using. You see the same principle with famous people. Being in any kind of relationship with someone, even friends, soley because you like what their association does for your image is a jerk thing to do

The people who do the mocking are every bit at fault for being assholes. Only when the person being mocked accepts the assholes premise as true and care about their acceptance do they also become an asshole in turn.

I can’t think of anything nice to say about neckbeards but I can say some lovely things about some guys I know who spend more time playing games than working out

I wondered why some of these men say these nonsensical and mysoginistic things despite being popular and pretty good looking. Were they not taught to respect women? Then there is the answer: they weren’t. It dawned on me that not everyone were taught the same as I was-- to not give in to insecurities and that you don’t have to prove anything to anyone. Of course, it’s recommended to improve one’s self, but if the end goal is transactional and expect reward rather than doing things because it’s the right thing, then boy you will just lead yourself to a downward spiral of disappointment and cynicism. I’ve seen this on a few people close to me trying to prove themselves to anyone who don’t necessarily care about them. I have a mate to bought an expensive but ugly pair of Gucci shoes to impress a rich girl who strings him along, rather than court someone who will accept him for who he is. We’re trying to impress people we don’t like and don’t like us, instead of building meaningful relationship with people who will accept you.

You’re being mocked for not conforming to masculine stereotype? Fuck them. If they are truly your friends, they should accept you for who you are. Find a new group of people who are like-minded and open minded.

Neckbeards are some of the best Dungeon Masters and I ain’t lying

You’re being downvoted for pointing out human nature. You’re not wrong, we compete for females. We’re animals, even if people want to lie and claim we’ve progressed. We have not.

Woman here. (Sorry, don’t typically announce my gender, but relevant to the comment if someone else reads it.)

Tbh I wish the conversation were more positive. I ain’t no expert cuz I’m struggling with my own advice, but I’d recommend: Try to get a decent job, work on your mental health, take care of yourself, build friendships, try to get in a decent place financially, and maintain a healthy schedule, environment, and diet. Be the kind of person you’d want to date. And treat women like men for the most part. Most people I know in relationships met at work, school, church, dating apps, or through friends / common interests.

But the reason I’m not on the dating market myself is cuz I’m a mess of a human being who doesn’t want to be trapped in a codependent relationship. Dating doesn’t sound appealing at all when I have so many problems I need to work through first. I’ve seen what happens when people try to fix their problems with relationships; it usually results in more problems.

Best of luck. Sorry things are rough.

modern feminism does imply that men can’t really talk about issues?

not to be all “source?” but — source?

This statement feels full of selection bias. Let’s assume Angela Davis literally said this, does that mean Judith Butler agrees?

But I imagine it’s more that this was said by a semi-anonymous rage bait account on a social media platform.

That’s not to say such things aren’t hurtful - they are - but in the same way FirstnameBunchOfNumbers on Twitter says stupid shit all the time - eg all unions are all always bad and are literally communism - that doesn’t speak for the entirety of tradespeoples.

I wouldn’t say identify. Pretty sure many of us don’t follow Andrew Tate or influencers in general. We’re showing empathy for the general situation. Sorry it bothered you.

I’m a stem teacher, and I work hard at trying to get more women into stem.

1. More women reduce reduce the number of men but simply increase the number of subjects we teach.
2. More women in stem creates normality and produces more women in stem. When we have open nights women telling women how cool and interesting the subject is excited them.
3. It increases range and capacity, I have tasks that are designed to interest young men. As I started producing content that also interests women we got better and richer tasks.
4. In my teaching area we moderate other teachers courses and every single teacher who whines about women in stem have boring single focused programs
5. Men like courses with women. Especially if those women have similar interests

The no opportunity for males to be exceptional is a dog whistle. Stem is still there for men. There are still high standards.

The problem is a lack of men in teaching roles.

Young men have few, sometimes no, men who act as role models…for example, I get comments from students who love the fact that I have a beard and they like that a teacher is proud to present in one.

Secondly men and women have different skills socialized into them. Guys are better at exams and practical tasks while women are socialized to be better at communicating tasks. As men left education assessments moved from practicals and exams to essays.

Socialized isn’t entirely correct it’s also a lack of focus on the difference between how young men and women develop in primary years which also leads to skill issues

Anyway ranting on my phone sucks. More women in stem, especially in digital technology and engineering is great, women have ideas, they can solve problems, we should learn why engineering is a sausage festival instead of just assuming that it is because men are more exceptional at engineering than women.

Idk, I don’t feel like young women are really offered any kind of safety net or support system that isn’t being offered to boys.

I mean, there are special scholarships and programs only for women, and explicit preferential hiring for women in some fields. There is nothing like that for men, even in fields men are grossly underrepresented in (which also tend to be fields where men are mistreated or have their duties restricted for more or less explicitly sexist reasons - like child care).

This is the thing, I constantly hear how awful young men are being treated. I don’t ever really hear any specific reasoning that can’t be explained by other means other than sexism against men.

Here’s the trick - when you hear how say women or black folks are mistreated, you don’t require “any specific reasoning that can’t be explained by other means other than” discrimination against them.

I like using criminal justice as an example of this:

If I asked you to prove that the criminal justice system was racist, you could throw a whole pile of statistics at me. A whole panoply of stats demonstrating how black people are treated worse by the criminal justice system. But if you take those same measures and break them down by sex instead of race, they more or less all have a sex gap, that sex gap favors women over men, and for most of them it’s a similar or larger gap than the racial one. The core difference is that you will treat the racial gaps as proof of racism in and of themselves, while requiring the sex gaps to prove that there is absolutely no other hypothetically possible cause other than sexism.

When a gap lies in one direction, blaming discrimination is the default move and when it lies in the other then every other possible explanation has to be provably false before it can even be considered.

Imo this is one of the first generations of young men, especially young white men, that weren’t born on third base. The men’s right movement is a reactionary movement that’s just upset about being placed on an equal footing, and then falling to achieve the same results of previous generations of young white men.

So long as you define “being on an equal footing” as others having explicit institutional benefits you don’t.

For example, girls outperform boys in education K-12 (and there are studies that suggest this is at least in part a result of bias in grading favoring girls), girls both enter higher education and graduate from higher education at higher rates than boys, etc, etc, etc.

My favorite is people being angry when men apply anti-discrimination laws to things like differential pricing that favors women, differential benefits that favor women, literally any application of Title IX that benefits a boy, that sort of thing.

You aren’t being treated worse than everyone else, it’s just that equality feels like prosecution to those who have traditionally lived charmed lives.

Ironically, the oldest known expression of this notion comes from a proto-MRA on USENET in the late 90s, except he was talking about women.

it’s just that equality feels like prosecution to those who have traditionally lived charmed lives

I cannot speak for “that country”, assuming you mean the US, as I don’t live there. That said, I think people don’t have actual past lives as a reference. If my grandfather or father lived in a different world, this can at most create expectations, but cannot be really generating a feeling of prosecution, because the current one is the only life I have actually lived and I know.

Then there is another issue, which is that in reality there are a lot of factors that determine whether you are born “in third base”. Gender, historically, has been one of them, but it’s far from being a guarantee. However, the political discourse often flattens this issue and makes it almost two-dimensional. If you are a white man, you are privileged, period. Fact is, there are tons of white man that are absolutely not privileged, and are also victim of an unequal and oppressive society. These people are substantially alienated because their voice is simply not represented anywhere. My leftist interpretation is that some of the egalitarian discourse (feminism, LGBT rights etc.) has been to some extent swallowed by the status quo, and lost a lot of the revolutionary potential it had, becoming more focused on individual perception and rights, rather than on systemic issues that therefore could capture also the dynamics of a white man being also oppressed, even if from a different angle. In other words, if feminism is purely focused on battles of women as a group of individuals, and not as part of a system that oppresses them within a wider mechanism, then oppressed people that don’t strictly belong to that category have a much harder time to see in women a reflection of their own oppression.

Basically, a realization such as:

We’re all the same to them now, and will all be exploited as such.

was true already decades (centuries) ago, and that’s why lots of feminist battles were linked to socialism and leftist ideologies. This is nothing new, really, and forcing to read the current issues only from the racial perspective or only from the gender perspective (etc.) makes it much harder to build solidarity between groups who are instead left to fight battles within the system, without a perspective or a struggle to move past it.

Ignoring the issues people face becuase they come from what you determine to be a “privileged” class is just another form of bigotry.

Young men don’t stand to benifit from the same patriarchal systems we do, nor do we stand to benifit from the patriarchal systems our fathers did. And even if it did, one privileged doesn’t nullify the issues faced by other inequalities such as race, wealth, class, ability.

The issues they face are real reguardless of what privilege they have or are assumed to have.

Equality should be about giving every individual a fair chance at life regardless of who they are or what they came from. Not some team sport where “one side” must be crushed under to goosestep of self proclaimed progress seekers.

Best way I’ve heard it.

Friendzone is bullshit, because women are not vending machines that accept nice and dispense sex.

I made it two paragraphs in, you need to talk to someone about your emotions.

You may think that you’re not showing this negativity and sadness on the surface, but I can guarantee your potential partners are picking up on it immediately.

You can’t build a successful relationship without starting from a good place. You’re starting from a bad place with negative expectations each time.

Until you address the only constant (your emotions and negative self-image) in this cycle of rejection as you call it, you’ll never succeed in a relationship.