Will Motorola have support for eSIMs? Will Google Pay work? … I’m not making judgments on whether they should, but asking about practical considerations.
Don’t think google pay works on graphene anyhow
Honestly man, I’m worried than regular Sim is eliminated, not if eSim will work. Google play will work yeah
What will US do if lenevo is Chinese and owns Motorola and now the US doesn’t have backdoors like they do on Apple and Google devices.
Sanctions and tariffs?
Sorry to be the party pooper but they’re also expected to be above 1200$
The first goal is to threaten Google’s monopolistic goals. This does that. Of course cheaper would be better, too.
Which flagship isn’t though?
What if I agree to let them spy on me? Can we work out a deal?
I just want a flip phone that has 3rd party ROM support lol.
We’re like half a decade into the flip scene and we’ve been stuck on OEM slop for too long.
Google pixel fold
*that’s not made by Google’s shitty dev team and is a flip style, not tablet fold
I just got a pixel 9 refurbished for 350CAD and, a part from the irony of needing a phone made by google to have a degoogled phone, Graphene is a great OS. It just does what any basic phone os should do, and that’s make it gold in the current dystopia.
Please Moto, make a not gigantic 6in slab of a phone. Please make one ~5in with good specs.
Yep. Sick of giant phones. Crazy hard to find a small phone with decent specs.
I don’t care that much about size. Not nearly as much as the “flagship” designation bullshit. How about we don’t have to pay 5x as much, because it’s a flagship and still let us have Graphene?
Please ALSO make a giant 7" one, Moto. Thank you!
And I want a midsize one, thanks
I’m voting for 4". Something only barely large enough to use
7" table, 5" phone please, pretty please, pretty please with cherries on top!!!
6 inches is gigantic?
That’s what I have and it doesn’t feel quite big enough. Close but not quite.
Never once thought it felt too big in my hand or my pocket…
Yes.
Your hands are large.
Maybe your hands are just smol
This isn’t a brick wall TV interview.
I 100% understand and support why the moved away from google.
And Motorola was a good choice. But they really should have supported some budget phones.
A pixel series a could easily be found for under 500€ new. These flagship motorola phones are all way over 1000€.
And the developer clearly said they had currently no intention to support cheaper motorola phones. Among other things because Motorola won’t offer 7 year updates for anything but these flagships.
So, I get it. But let’s face it that people on a budget will keep using pixels for GOS while they are maintained.
They didn’t specifically disregard budget phones. The budget phones just won’t have the hardware required to meet GrapheneOS requirements. They’ve states that as the next gen flagship hardware trickles down to the budget phones, there’ll be more options.
I keep hearing this thing about the necessary hardware.
What is this exotic piece of hardware that the GrapheneOS needs? Please, someone tell me what it is.
Searching would probably have been quicker than commenting :)
(nothing I am about to say is necessarily personal; I am genuinely grateful for the link!)
Is there a table of these requirements as columns and vendors as rows?
I think most of this list is acquired by having a modern CPU or SoC, no?
Much of the list is software requirements.
There is one item that sticks out:
- Support for disabling USB data and also USB as a whole at a hardware level in the USB controller
Just how much of the hardware list is satisfied by say having a Snapdragon SoC?
I would prefer if people said such and such vendor is missing such and such feature which we need. Always NAME the SPECIFICS. A link to a web page with the exact specifics missing for the most popular phones would help, imo. This is clear and educational. Instead we get “they don’t got no good hardware maaaan.” It’s annoying. Looks handwavy even when it is not.
These flagship motorola phones are all way over 1000€
Yes. And now it’s not going down. See, the corporation cannot make any money off of ads and analytics if there are none.
I have a Moto phone, as far as I know they have made $0 from me in analytics or ads.
Moto phones in my experience are some of the most debloated phones out there.
The 2027 models will likely be flagship only however Graphene has tweeted that they plan to support cheaper Motorola phones in the future.
they didn’t abandon pixels though. they just take a little extra time because they have to manually update the old device trees now.
My question is, what support will there be for NFC contactless payment? The convenience of being able to not have to carry a wallet full of cards is one of the biggest things holding me back from fully embracing GrapheneOS.
Graphene supports NFC, but Google wallet goes out of its way not to work on it.
If you’re in the EU you have other wallet options, in the US you’re pretty much fucked.
I thought I would miss digital wallets way more than I actually do. Bought a slim wallet, carry just what I need, and get all the privacy benefits of not being on mainline android.
What are the other wallet options?
I keep hearing about curve, and I saw something about walt.is just the other day… But I’m in the US without access to any of them, so I wouldn’t trust my references.
There’s problems with the eu ones too. I barely used them anyway before but did test after installing and it errored out.
Though yeah that could have just been google pay, now i think about it…
For me they did not work for a while but recently they updated their apps and now it works fully.
Amazing news
NFC pay is not ubiquitous enough in my area so I use a phone case that has room for cards. I still need to carry a physical health insurance card and a physical ID as well so my wallet case is not going away. I actually bought a pixel 9 instead of 10 just because my favorite wallet case was available.
I’m considering just getting a Garmin watch that I keep disconnected from my phone to use for NFC pay. Seems like I would be able to set up my cards in Garmin Pay app and then just disconnect it.
I ain’t trustin no company with shit !
Great news, but what’s with that absolute serial killer smile in the main photo?
This will apply to 2027 flagship Motorola devices, starting with a regular non-folding device, according to GrapheneOS developers who hinted at it being the successor to the Signature.
Thank goodness it won’t just be one foldable. I was worried for a bit.
All of them are foldable, many times, some just get the power button jammed at like 4 degrees and break a bit around 12 or so.
this is bullshit. i need a new phone but the price of flagship phones are outrageous.
personally i think Moto G Power is gonna be a beast with GOS
Dual sim slots sd card headphone jack insane battery
AFAIK they’re only targeting their flagship models first. Guess we’ll see, but I don’t think the Moto G series will get it. At least not initially.
I’m still looking for a solution after https://keepandroidopen.org/
About 50% of my apps are from F-Droid (the others are specific local apps and especially bank apps, which is difficult …)
I’m pretty sure this is wrong. Like obviously it’s a bad thing that they are making it harder to distribute apps through 3rd parties but they aren’t stopping you from sideloading unsigned apps. They are introducing an additional step to unlock your phone to allow unsigned apps. Yes it is annoying and no I do not agree with what they are doing. But they are not removing unsigned app support from all android devices.
The new step will be deciding how long you wish to allow unsigned apps to be installable on your device (either 7 days or indefinitely) and then it requires you to wait 24 hours before you can start to install apps without Google developer signing.
These rules do suck, and it is a bad thing, but lying or exaggerating what is happening will not make them reverse course. It only justifies them when they say “it’s not that bad and it’s for your protection.”
I would agree, but that flow is through google play services not through the system itself, so google can just remove it whenever they want.
yeah i need my banking, only thing stopping me from using a non-googled phone. everything else can fuck off
i dont think you need google play services for banking.
furthermore, i disabled play services. i dont need it for 99% of apps.
sometimes theres one cool heavily proprietary app that forces you to use it. sucks. and i just gotta uninstall it.yes you do. my bank doesnt work without google play services
ok. my mistake.
either way…
i would think you could just use a web browser. but sometimes app is more preferablethere is no web app anymore, all mobile
Will this affect graphene os?
if developers stop developing apps, that will affect GrapheneOS, yes
I think apps will still be developed however they will reach only the custom ROM audience which I expect will grow massively.
I think the second part is correct, but the first one is not because lots of developers don’t use a custom ROM, and neither does a large part of their intended audience. Sadly, many people are not ready to give up the bank’s app, perhaps literally cannot give up the government app, but also hardware compatibility with most phones is not there, because of missing drivers.
Oh yes, that makes sense.
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