Interest in LibreOffice, the open-source alternative to Microsoft Office, is on the rise, with weekly downloads of its software package close to 1 million a week. That’s the highest download number since 2023.

“We estimate around 200 million [LibreOffice] users, but it’s important to note that we respect users’ privacy and don’t track them, so we can’t say for sure,” said Mike Saunders, an open-source advocate and a deputy to the board of directors at The Document Foundation.

LibreOffice users typically want a straightforward interface, Saunders said. “They don’t want subscriptions, and they don’t want AI being ‘helpful’ by poking its nose into their work — it reminds them of Clippy from the bad old days,” he said.

There are genuine use cases for generative AI tools, but many users prefer to opt-in to it and choose when and where to enable it. “We have zero plans to put AI into LibreOffice. But we understand the value of some AI tools and are encouraging developers to create … extensions that use AI in a responsible way,” Saunders said.

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      Syncthing has been so helpful in making me move away from cloud based options. And to think only reason I found out about it and gave it a shot was because I was trying to figure out how to easily sync my non Steam game save files between my Desktop and my Steam Deck. It’s been invaluable since then.

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          Welcome to the biggest rabbit hole of your life. Syncthing itself isn’t huge, but the capacity to divest from the big cloud providers is. I say it’s a rabbit hole because you’ll quickly be finding new ways to use it.

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          Nextcloud is, as the name says, a dedicated server used as a cloud. Syncthing only syncronises fders between devices. You dont need a dedicated server for this that stores all the data.

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            Oh nice! I felt like website did a bad job at explaining what it is and how it works

            Like, it doesn’t say if it uses one of their servers or if the two devices should be up at the same time. If so, that’s really unfortunate

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              The devices need to be running at the same time, which isn’t that much of a problem, if you e. G. only want to sync your PC to your mobile.

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              I think the “normal” usage is having an always on computer as a server and link all other devices to that one for updates.

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              it doesn’t say if it uses one of their servers

              It does not.

              if the two devices should be up at the same time

              You can’t sync 2 devices when they have no way to connect to each other, so no.

              I would recommend getting a server. And by “server” I mean literally any computer with Syncthing installed and left on. Could even be an old phone or something (with sufficient storage). That way there’s always 1 device to sync to.

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          I’m hoping to set one up later this year. I have an old laptop that has good enough specs to run it from my research - I just need to get everything off of it and swamp windows for Linux! Never did a Linux install so I’m excited.

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            As a lifetime Windows user who switched to Linux about ten years ago, I recommend Linux Mint. It’s designed to look and feel like Windows 7 so it’s an easier transition when you first move from Windows. Also Mint is a rock solid distribution and has been my daily driver for about 9 years now. And before I forget, Mint has great documentation and community so when you get stuck on something you can easily Google for help.

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              you can easily Google for help.

              you can easily search the web for help using your favorite engine. :)

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                True there are other ways to search but I still find that Google surfaces the most relevant answers on the first page. At least when doing technical searches, it’s hit or miss with any other topic.

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                Yep, I wish I was totally Microsoft free but sadly my work laptop is Win11. I’ve lost track of how many times I’ve sat for over an hour on the phone with a level 1 tech going through the check list of non-fixes so they can bump me up to someone who has the authority to actually fix the issue, all the while thinking to myself “if this was Linux I could fix this myself in 10 minutes”.

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            I switched for the first time a few weeks ago!! I didn’t realise until I booted my Windows partition earlier for work that I hadn’t used it one single time since I did that because it was still open on the download page and forced a hundred updates on me 😅 it’s really fun and freeing, I’ve tried a few and settled on Pop!_OS because I love the simplicity, the pretty desktop environment and the window tiling

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              So cool! So you basically kept windows in one part of your machine and ran pop os on the rest? Really cool idea!

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                Yeah!! I haven’t had any trouble with it yet, my laptop has only one SSD slot which is why I did it on the same one. I just switch when I boot up. I have the Windows one just in case I can’t get a game to run and to access my work’s shared drive (absolutely cannot figure it out on Linux lol)

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                  I was reading about this solution. My main laptop is a MacBook Air with M2 so I don’t think I can run any version of Linux on it. I have an old windows laptop I’m thinking about trying it on.

                  Would Linux still run fine on an older laptop?

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          When I get another job lined up that’s my goal. A job and these bills. And that car loan. And maybe a house… Man. Maybe two jobs.

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        Yeah I love LibreOffice’s customisability including sidebar etc, but OnlyOffice just performs a lot better and handles the most common formats better for me

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        Yeah! To me LibreOffice just looks dated and, to be honest, shit. OnlyOffice has a much cleaner interface.

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          It also isn’t still carrying around 30 years of Java baggage from when it was Sun StarOffice, and everything inbetween.

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    I’m afraid to find out how many people are still downloading OpenOffice, thinking it’s the same software they heard about back in 2010.

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    I must be one of them. In the last couple of weeks I’m transitioning my apps and services to open source and EU based. I switched from Windows to CachyOS, switched my emails, switched browser, degoogled my phone, deleted FB and X and many more.

    It feels so refreshing and free.

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    Sure, to avoid costs…

    They really don’t see the connection with the trade war, buy european movement, boycott america movement, trump presidency in general… Really? Or could it be the editor told them not to mention it?

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      As someone who has recently cancelled my Microsoft subscription and switched to libre office I can vouch that it was not the subscription cost that made me switch.

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      None of those have much real impact outside internet noise compared to people seeing their bank accounts drain.

      I’ve been leaving corpo shit behind for years as a personal boycott, but even I found it much easier to invest time and effort moving off paid services than free ones because of a perceived material benefit beyond smug self-satisfaction.

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      You’re looking for enemies where there are none. I’m not a medical professional, but I assume this amount of paranoia is not good for your mental health and well-being. Just take the article for what it is: a win for free software

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        Sure, it is a win. And thank you for the wise words.

        But to me it seems that many are looking to reduce dependency on US tech.

        Unfortunately, world is such state that a little paranoia is warranted. If Snowden was not a wakeup call, now I finally feel there is a real movement to try to reduce the dependency. Keep in mind that the US currently threatens EU with occupation of Greenland and sides with our enemy.

        But all that said, thank you again, kind stranger.

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      Came here to say this. The headline is misleading, the costs have been there for years. The thing that has changed are millions of Europeans and Canadians looking for American alternatives.

      There was another article I saw related to a massive drop (over 70%!) in bookings between Canada and the US. It didn’t mention the reason for the drop in bookings. Not sure why the media is so reluctant to cover the massive American boycotts that are underway at the moment, especially on articles covering the impact.

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    European countries should adopt linux and these alternatives instead of paying for windows and Microsoft. Much more private too.

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      and also its not american! linux is great! but imagine iwth more investment and programs need to make the apps beter compitable with linux! linux will be way better

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    I have a job that involves working with spreadsheets. I have Librecalc at home and both Libre and MSOffice at work. I have also had a college course about using Excel specifically. Both really can do mostly the same things but because MS does everything in a specific (backwards) way, people trained on MS who are not otherwise “computer people” can’t cope with needing to unlearn and relearn. So the end result is paraprofessionals are locked in.

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      I really enjoyed spreadsheets before becoming a programmer (I still enjoy them, I just spend less time on them) and basically self taught over the years using Google Sheets.

      There are several really useful functions on sheets that simply do not exist in Excel, and there are others that work almost the same but not quite. Having to use Excel drives me insane sometimes because of how clunky it feels.

      By contrast, using LibreCalc feels kinda how you’d expect an open source Google Sheets to feel? It’s slightly clunkier, but it gets the job done and generally feels better to use than Excel

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        I’ve gone full circle

        Loved sheets, then hated them because we should just use a DB

        Now I do stuff in sheets with a tab explaining how I got the data because I can email it to someone and in 4 months it still answers their questions.

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          I used sheets because it was portable and flexible, but now I’d almost always just use a db instead.

          My main use for excel now is “I need to send data to someone who isn’t a programmer” and doing json > CSV conversions to see if my 3000 rows of data from a 3rd party have all the necessary bits.

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            I guess it depends, I can make a pivot table in like 30 seconds, which is faster than setting up and loading data into a notebook.

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    Don’t forget to seed the torrents to help the servers. And donate if you can ✊🏻

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    I managed to get my father in law to fully switch to libreoffice, which is in itself a great achievement, as he’s almost 70 and he used to be an msoffice user for most of his adult professional life.

    Libreoffice is just great and Europe should start backing and using more open source, non greedy corporate backed projects.

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      Hi, I hope you don’t mind me asking how you achieved this, my father is 79 and has Parkinsons with hearing problems, he’s deaf in one ear and partially in other ear, so he has personality issues, really can be stubborn and difficult to deal with, been having trouble getting him away from Microsoft products like Windows or Office, any ideas or advice be really helpful and appreciated, ty :o)

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        I mean, I’m not the person you asked for tips, but I wanted to drop my two cents.

        If he has many health issues, asking him to switch software at his age will be challenging, and requires a lot of patience. You could start wanting to show him with excitement, like, showing how cool it can be to try out something new. He might get easily overwhelmed if things work differently than what he’s used to, so try to guide him in that.

        but yeah, be very patient with him. I’m sure he’s got a lot on his plate already.

        Just keep making sure he’s getting the medical treatment he needs.

        I wish your family the best!

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        Well, I guess there is no universal answer and it obviously can’t be some generic method of achieving this,but what I did was to explain in detail how MsOffice is basically just a standard because people made it so out of convenience and lack of true alternatives and it’s not cheap, plus whatever is made freely available by a corporation means it’s actually you paying with your data for it.

        It’s a process and you’d have to convince him to at least allow you to show them side by side or explain how it’s always up to date and you don’t have to throw money at it every x years just because it’s called MsOffice202x, because the benefits of upgrading are not worth the money.

        It ain’t easy, I know… but I am also providing support myself when requested, which can become a headache fast, especially with “difficult” people.

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    Nice. Maybe now Microsoft will respond by offering non-subscription options inventing a new proprietary industry-standard file format so their bloated ransomware remains mandatory.

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      Fortunately platforms like docs are providing sufficient competition that I don’t think they’d be able to lock it down as effectively as they once could.

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    FOSS software will win eventually. It may take time, but if good FOSS software is being built by enthusiasts then a time will come where proprietary software fucks up. And when it does, FOSS is ready to take it’s place. And as soon as FOSS has become a standard in some field, why would there ever be a need to go back to proprietary?

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    Besides the jank, you can set up libreoffice inside a docker container and server it over https. There you now have cheap-ass MS365.

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    If you’re going to download it, try the torrent option! That way, you can give back to the community that gives you LibreOffice.

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    Is it just me, or do new office features seem kinda pointless or unnecessary?

    I use libreoffice the same way I used microsoft office decades ago. Never really cared for ‘advanced’ or even ‘intermediate’ features because they are never necessary to what I’m doing.

    I can’t imagine that people who are more computer-illiterate than me getting significantly more involved in what should be simple and easy to use programs.

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      Is it just me, or do new office features seem kinda pointless or unnecessary?

      I feel like almost all the updates of the last two decades have been:

      • Security updates in a code base that was traditionally quite vulnerable to malware.
      • Technical updates in taking advantage of the advances in hardware, through updated APIs in the underlying OS. We pretty seamlessly moved from single core, 32-bit x86 CPU tasks to multicore x86-64 or ARM, with some tasks offloaded to GPUs or other specialized chips.
      • Some improvement in collaboration and sharing, unfortunately with a thumb on the scale to favor other Microsoft products like SharePoint or OneDrive or Outlook/Exchange.
      • Some useless nonsense, like generative AI.

      Some of these are important (especially the first two), but the user experience shouldn’t change much for them.

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        Some useless nonsense, like generative AI.

        This is a very ignorant and prejudiced take.

        AI in Excel is an amazing feature that will help TONNES of people do what they never could It can design tables and write (but not insert) advanced formulas for the user.

        Sure, you could say “just be an Excel expert”, but - for example - my daily work is nowhere near Excel. Learning its advanced features would be a 100% waste of time, just to be able to prep a fancy chart every couple of years. So, instead, I can just ask Copilot to do that fancy thing for me, instead of wasting hours online, trying to figure out XLOOKUP, or some such.

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          As someone who has taught many children how to use excel, the new AI features make using it easier but teaching and learning harder. A lot of stuff now happens automagically, and that makes it harder to see the reasons and structures and language of how it is meant to work. So doing basic stuff is now trivially easy, but learning to become competent enough to do more creative and advanced stuff is more difficult.

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            A lot of stuff now happens automagically

            Nothing happens automagically. You need to specifically ask Copilot to do something.

            makes it harder to see the reasons and structures and language of how it is meant to work

            This I also don’t fully agree with. Like I mentioned, Copilot won’t automatically place formulas everywhere - it just designs them but you need to copy-paste them into the appropriate spots.

            So, yeah, you’re not writing the formulas, but it’s not like the whole thing just magically appears.

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      Sometimes I think these little updates are just a ruse to upload our personal information without us knowing. I stopped auto-updating a few years ago and only update when the software is not running correctly or something new is introduced.

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      So here’s a single data point for you, in a good couple months (for money reasons) I was gonna switch over to Bazzite or another distro if it came preinstalled

      So with a sample size of 1 we know 100% of people you’ve found are switching to linux

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          Well there’s the small matter of the new computer

          But oh NOW you tell me I don’t need to wire $600 to a random person

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            You can dual boot on pretty much whatever you have, though I recommend buying a separate drive for Linux for minimum headaches.

            But yeah, I get it. Linux will be there when you’re ready.

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              Please don’t suggest newcomers to dual boot. It’s very technical and requires a lot of knowledge and effort to troubleshoot when windows eventually fights back with new shenanigans. It provides a skewed impression of what using Linux is like.

              Just suggest to try the distros as a live USB. It gets them 90% of the way into an install, and it’s perfectly safe and reversible.

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                  I’m familiar with messing around in the BIOS, changing boot priority and formatting stuff and whatnot.

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                  This is perfectly viable and preferable, but for most newcomers just installing a new OS is a foreign concept in and of itself.

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      Linux needs to sound a lot less intimidating for people who don’t really do tech besides the very basics.

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        people who don’t really do tech besides the very basics

        i’ve been building my own PCs since the 90s and have basic hardware and network certs, and want to try linux, but it seems daunting to me

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          The biggest issue people face when switching to Linux is finding Linux alternatives to their apps.

          At this point it’s much easier than it was in the 90s

          That said, games can still cause issues.

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            When I switched to Linux I found out that the Linux alternative to most of my apps was just running my windows apps through proton or wine and they work fine. There are only one or two programs that I couldn’t replace and I really don’t care about them so 🤷🏻‍♂️

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          I’ve found Linux Mint to be easier to install and use than Windows. (I don’t have to enter the console and allow myself to setup an offline account because no network drivers were working in Linux. Windows 11 did that).

          I’ve never had issues with graphics drivers, despite using Nvidia cards. The only issues with Linux have been because I broke something when I was messing around.

          Get a USB drive, burn a Linux ISO to it, and try it out without installing it.

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            And then something doesn’t work during installation or you have to postpone it, you have to abort the installation, run into the MMOK error that blocks you from installing ANY UEFI Linux…just happend to me. I REALLY like the idea of Linux but man, if such things still happen :/.

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                While true, that unfortunately doesn’t change the reality that many potential new users will run into issues like this

                But hey, the more Linux users there are, the more manufactures will be forced to fix their shit

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          If you’ve installed fresh Windows off a usb then process is the same for Linux, and you don’t really need to mess with terminal by just using the Microsoft Store equivalent on the Linux distro you choose. I didn’t find it too different from using Windows or MacOS. I was able to download all my usual programs like Steam and Firefox off the Linux appstore.

          But if I had to install a program outside of the Linux store they usually came as a sh or deb file.

          If it was deb I’d open terminal where the deb file was and type in sudo dpkg -i filename.deb

          And if sh I’d open terminal where the sh file was and type in sh ./name_of_file.sh

          That’s pretty much the only terminal commands I’ve needed to know to get started.

          When it came to drivers I was lucky enough to have it be pretty much handle everything for me on my old laptop out the box. Main reason I had tried Linux was because Windows ran slow on it, and also an old scanner I had didn’t have drivers that supported it anymore. But, on Linux the scanner just worked.

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            And in some desktops you can click on the deb file and it asks you if you want to install it.

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          It isn’t, really. As @CosmicTurtle0 pointed out in their response, it’s mostly finding alternatives to your apps.

          Apropos: fuck mozilla for enshittifying the last viable open source browser alternative :( It’s the one I have not found an alternative for yet.

          Other than that: Thunderbird is WAY better than Outlook anyways. Gimp is arguably lacking some features that Photoshop people are used to, but works just fine (albeit takes some getting used to) for non graphic designers. LibreOffice is functioning better than Microsoft Office by a long shot in Writer and Calc - and up to par in Impress (presentations.) VLC should already be your media player of choice anyways. Element (Matrix) and Telegram desktop applications come with most distros nowadays. Desktop environment of choice is available, from very comfortable to very rudimentary and blazingly fast.

          Steam works, many many games on steam work (but then again, maybe prefer gog / good old games, as it is not US based).

          PDF readers: okular is probably your best bet, digital signatures work fine but the interface for signing a document could be improved a bit.

          For my system, that’s kind of it - everything else is native Linux stuff anyways :)

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        Successful propaganda. As if those people were able to install (or configure) Windows if it didn’t come preinstalled and with autoupdates…

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        How about this: I’ll offer installation support and free tech support for three months to the first 20 people that ask. Free of charge. I only have three conditions:

        1. You pick from a handful of distros I’m willing to support - Debian, Fedora, openSUSE Leap
        2. You donate any amount of money to any FOSS project or contribute something to a FOSS project
        3. I reserve the right to not help get certain Windows software working, like anything Adobe
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          Caveat number 3 is the reason I’m still on windows, I take it that’s still not an option then.

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        I think the biggest factor in that is getting tutorials and such out there that focus on the basics, written by people who mainly do things on Linux using the basics and GUI tools. So much of the Linux content out there is focused on power users and even the tutorials for new users tend to be written by those power users who may have been tech focused before switching and forget or just don’t know how basic they really have to get to not make people feel intimidated. Given the right distro/desktop environment, and there’s plenty of good ones to start with, people can use Linux almost just how they use Windows. They just need someone to show them how without pushing them to do everything in the terminal too fast or going immediately to scripting as a solution to problems.

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        Exactly. I’m really interested in running Linux but it would be more of something interesting to try when I have time rather than an actual OS change.

        The biggest issue for me is I’m a photographer and I depend on Adobe Lightroom, Photoshop, etc. I know there are open source alternatives, but from what I’ve seen they are far behind adobe.

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          All the open source alternatives also work on windows. You could try them on your current OS and make the switch to Linux once you’re confident you’ve found a workflow that works for you.

          Lightroom: Darktable Photoshop: Gimp (version 3 just released) or Krita Illustrator: Inkscape

          One note though: The Windows versions tend to be a bit of an afterthought. Performance can therefore be not as good as the Linux version.

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      I have to wonder what the October end of life for Windows 10 will bring in that regard.

      Computers are expensive. Some people will buy something new, others won’t be able. That crowd has 2 options of finding a new OS or using one that’s no longer supported.

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        Most people will just continue using an out of date operating system because they don’t understand the security risks. It happens every time MS ends support of an OS line.

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        I think you are wildly underestimating the people who will say fuck it and keep rolling with 10. For that matter, how about the people who don’t even realize it’s EOL? Sure, they’ll get warnings, which they’ll promptly ignore.

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          I have some people at a client’s still happily using 8.1 (but hey, at least they’re not using 7!).

          And, to be frank, if they had to stay on Windows I’d prefer they stay on 8.1 anyway. What with 10 requiring the online accounts or adding start menu adds or removing the interfaces of the Control Panel and everything else.