Updated for 2024 and a post Proton world.
True Statement, The new macs have better gaming support on linux than macOS
Are we talking about the M3 chips? Or the last intel? Because these are not the same.
Were talking about m serie, the fps may not be amazing but macos cant run windows games like linux can. When every wwdc apple just shows off some game they paid a metric crap ton to get it ported. Which isnt really gaming, if your selection is like 5 games.
That’s so false… That’s like saying the only games Windows can run is Halo and whatever crap is in the Windows Store. Steam has thousands of out-of-the-box compatible games and Crossover helps cover many other games.
Before I got I rebuild my Linux gaming PC (watercooling shenanigans) I gamed for a solid year on MacOS. I played Baldur’s Gate 3 on release for Windows through Crossover, was on my second play through when official Mac support dropped. I’ve played Civ 5 & 6 with friends. I’ve made many cities in Cities Skylines. I played FF7 Remake again. Even for old 32-bit Windows games like Touhou 6 run with minor tweaking.
Crossover is the commercial version of the code behind proton, developed by the same company. It doesn’t work as well on Mac as on Linux. Since “Like Linux but worse” is exactly the point you’re responding to, so you’re pretty much in agreement with them?
What Steamymoomilk had stated previously is that Linux on Apple Silicon is better than macOS for gaming. But Proton support is not only a very new feature to Asahi Linux but also still has issues.
x86 Linux > macOS (with or without Crossover) > Asahi Linux on Apple Silicon macs (what the previous commenter said was better than macOS).
Hey, nobody disputes that.
Doesn’t mean macOS has a comparable portfolio of games it runs. Proton just works better than crossover or Whiskey or whatever.
Unsurprising since Proton is optimized by Valve specifically for playing games. Crossover, Wine, and Whiskey are more general purpose. They will work fine and can be optimized and tweaked, but Proton will work better out of the box.
I guess I didn’t clarify, but there comment from the previous user had stated that on the new M Series chips that running Linux is better for gaming on those devices (ala Asahi Linux).
No doubt Proton on normal x86 Linux PCs is great. My primary desktop and ROG Ally has been painless (aside from some old games that have issues regardless of OS).
But Proton is still buggy on Asahi Linux (support was literally announced a week ago or so). Meanwhile of the games I run on Steam, only a handful needed Crossover or Whiskey for macOS.
Try Whisky! It uses Wine and has conversion for the Apple graphics layer. It runs some games you can’t get running otherwise.
I knew booze was the only way to make using a Mac bearable.
It works OK. Steam itself is super sluggish under it.
Native Steam + Proton is just better.
How do you do that on a Mac? I didn’t think it supported the proton layer on other platforms.
I don’t, my personal machine runs Linux
My main is also Linux but my wife has a MacBook she still prefers. Still trying to find a good way for her to run a few games.
I haven’t found anything better than Whiskey. It reminds me of the finnicky Wine days before Proton, but so far the problems I encountered are purely cosmetic. Granted, I only tried pixely indie stuff.
You should probably also update the meme faces to whatever the hell the kids are using these days.
Christ. Fr. I was so excited when the Asahi team started to show off Vulkan games on M1 chips. Once it’s had a bit of time in the oven I’m ripping MacOs out of an, otherwise, wonderful device for what I paid for it.
Even more true
Do Windows 8 RT next!
It’s even worse than you think.
He will become… An engineer.
I can attest to that. Parents tried Linux to prevent me from gaming. Learned to dual boot first, got into security and Linux later and am engineer today. N+=1
parents in the background going “Our plan was a succes”
I miss the Dilbert cartoons.
Then the kid installs Proton and your keikaku* fails miserably.
*TN: keikaku means plan.
I think the plan is more that he’ll be so busy coonfing to optimize his userspace that he’ll have no time to game.
Arch Linux’s time to shine
hmm, how will we stop our child from being on the computer all day?
i know! if we install linux, they won’t be able to play video games!
[child enables the kde wiggly windows]
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
It comes with Steam by default and is automatically used out of the box when a native linux version of the game isn’t found.
Kinda… you do need to enable it in settings.
Are you sure? I know it was like that when it first came out but I think now they have it enabled by default, just install and run the games under it automatically.
Only if the game wasn’t tested and verified
I think now it’ll just run it through proton if a native linux release isn’t found. At some point they seem to just have enabled Proton support by default for games that support it. It’s only for games that have a non-functional linux Release that you have to mess with them.
I did not have to enforce proton on cyberpunk which is running using proton 🤔
Haha, try installing anything on NixOS before learning how to program
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I think this user has an irrational disdain or hatred of linux that causes them to believe things that aren’t true, or haven’t ever been true. I mean he literally created !linuxsucks@lemmy.world just to post memes complaining.
and banned me!
I played so much supertuxkart in middle school, then got pretty good at figuring out how to configure wine to make everything work in high school, and now as an adult wine has gotten so good that I just click on whatever I want to play on steam and 90% of the time it just works flawlessly, I don’t even always remember which games are native and which are running in wine these days.
Anyway yeah, using linux never made me spend less time playing games
Supertuxkart is one of the best games that I’ve ever played.
Mostly because it has a multiplayer mode. Much more than LAN multiplayer, it had options to map controls for the 2nd player on the same keyboard.
Used it to play with my relatives and it was fun.
With an NVidya card
Is that Tom Scott from the future?
It’s Linus Torvalds.
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We didn’t
Plan failed, the kid read the man pages and stackoverflow
I think a friend of mine would be delighted to have his children play video games.
They are only consuming [tiktock, yt, other social media].
I think he rather wants his children beating Red Alert campaign, than cpnsum 10s tiktocks.
Modding your first game, opening condigs ans inis, because key-remapping wasn’t a thing…all the gateways to interact with file system.
I’m hooking mine up on games as soon as they can hold a mouse and a keyboard, airgap the PC.
My oldest is about ready for her first computer, so I have an ewaste laptop earmarked for Christmas that I’ll have to tweak the configuration a bit more on before then.
She’s been getting better at better playing Minecraft and learning how to ask us how to spell the names of things so she can search for them in Minecraft, and getting pretty good with the mouse and keyboard too
I caught my son using Linux PC and Android tablet at the same time… he was just using the microphone in Gboard to learn to spell out what he wanted to put on his signs in Minecraft Java.
Learning how to edit config.sys to get sound working without internet help was a rite of passage for many.
The first time I knew I wanted to hack the planet was when I figured out how to edit a config file in Castles II: Siege and Conquest which let me start with max gold and resources so I could finally conquer the entire map and make that smug fucking pope eat my entire ass.
I plan to teach my son how to mod consoles and play retro games on them 😂
I think the only game that’s given me a hard time with linux is Call of Duty
And that’s not to say that you couldn’t get it to work, it was just more than one click to set up so I couldn’t be bothered.
Honestly, probably better of without CoD anyway
This is true. I have a completely broken arch linux install right now, wine doesn’t work. Only games I play are OpenTTD and Aisleriot Solitaire on my laptop.
OpenTTD pretty sick tho
Yeah I like it a lot.
This got me thinking: If I, for some masochistic reason, decided to switch to MacOS - is it possible to install it on an average PC?
I don’t know of the community is still going with the release of Apple Silicon, but you used to be able to with the Hackintosh project. I can’t imagine you still can with the switch to ARM.
Well, you got to be lucky with your hardware setup, snd it will be hard anyway. Search for hackingtosh. I think, it only works with intel releases of macOS, that has to be altered in some way 🤔
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That’s why I played bzflag
with a stack of slackware 3.5" installation media next to it…
