As the title says, it’s mildly infuriating seeing someone say " cook this at 210° " and stuff like that, we are in a international context!! Do i have to put those cookies in the flames of hell or just around the boiling point of water?!
Edit: the cookie thing was just an example and i throw a random number lol
Can I hijack this to complain about small town newspapers that don’t specify the state? There are 88 cities, states, counties, or districts named “Washington”. Is it so hard to clear up which one youre talking about?
I saw an article where it was like, Washington on fire!
And I immediately thought we had another Jan 6 attack with MAGA terrorists. Nope. Just climate change setting the forests on fire in Washington state.
Also if they write 210° it’s an angle not a temperature
Always cook facing away from the oven
Wait is that in degrees or gradians?
Did you just watch toolroom takeover too?
Nope, just a setting on my calculator
Beautiful, what a useless tool to create. I pity all the geological surveyors who have to actually goon.
yeah and the Angles are a tribe, basically Germans in England
That kind of thing brings my blood to 100°.
I hate this so much, anyway, do you have a fever?
I would expect it to be a bit higher than 100° what with all the non-water stuff in there.
Not to mention altitude and pressure.
is there steam coming out of your ears?
No one is cooking something in an oven at 180f nor 350c
Not with that attitude
Lol.
Read the whole post.
In international context the International System of Units must be used. So the ° is wrong it’s ‘K’. You have to put the cookies in a ice/salt mixture or better frozen CO2
That would be ideal but honestly I don’t mind too much if someone just uses the °F or °C, i can convert it easly, it’s annoying if they don’t use any unit at all tho and expect me to just guess
True, however the “convert it easily” part is getting tricky as soon as you deal with seismic activities or radio nuclides.
As with everything, we know it’s all the Americans’ fault. Joking. Halfway, anyway - they are a majority of the people who, internationally speaking, wanted to be all precious about this stuff. Although even if they didn’t, it’d still seem like “good practice” to include units anyway, though.
The cooking does tend to just be context, though, or at least “same as all the other recipes”. There’s only so many sane temps to pick for any given thing, and there’s a factor of ~2 between the two choices. E.g. if you were baking, 210° is either pretty hot or way too cool for most things.
An unspoken rule of the Internet: If a post doesn’t specify country, units, server, or time zone, and that information is relevant, then it was written by someone who is unaware of those things. You know, Americans.
I get what you’re saying, but a realistic temperature for cooking only makes sense if you’re familiar with cooking. I’m sure there was someone who was wondering why their cookies weren’t cooking at 175° F or utterly annihilated them at 350° C. It’s just a couple extra characters, anyway.
Sure. As I said, it makes sense to just… not be ambiguous. As for familiarity, I don’t think you really need it? You’ll have an inkling of where the recipe came from and be 90% sure most of the time. If not, searching for one more recipe means it’s suddenly really unlikely to still be unclear. No matter what you want you could search for non-US units to rule out/convert.
Familiarity would mean it’s even easier, you’ll go “of course this is baked at around 175°C like virtually all the other things like it” and almost certainly be right. Although baking is notoriously finicky…
Same is true when people tell you their local time and not their time zone.
Why do you need their time zone if you know their local time? You’ll either be in the same time zone as them, or in one that you can reference your time to theirs.
My local time is 1705 right now, doesnt help much, its better if I say 1705 CEST…but it helps way more to say that Im 1705 UTC+2
I’m in a global group. Someone reaches out to me and tells me they’re free at 6. Wtf does that mean? 6 what?
6 o’clock, I’d wager. Either yours or theirs, and you presumably know where both of you are.
How would you know their location?
I work in metric as an American, my industry is probably the only one that works in metric world wide. Temp is mixed
What industry is that?
Aerospace
My last project in aerospace with 100’s of people was mostly Imperial. There is a lot of mixing of units and you can basically design your subsystem however you want. There was a mandate decades ago to go metric, but that has largely been ignored. It’s the worst of both worlds!
My current project is just a couple people, so I mandated all metric. I have to spend a lot of money on tooling, but it is largely fine. I would say 10 years ago getting some fancy aerospace grade fasteners was easier in Imperial, less so today.
My mind still defaults to Imperial for very small dimensions like a 8 thou gap or something.
30+ years satellites, we are all metric. But as @FuglyDuck said it was a mixed team that mixed measurements that caused the failure.
We do everything in house so when parts\waveguide\antenna’s\etc all gets ordered its all metric.
And I do agree 10+ years ago it was a nightmare to source but since we are international we could have bulk sent over from Europe and eventually Canada.
Oh I missed the “The worst of both worlds” part LOL I can imagine, I guess if it comes to modules they could be mixed as long as they can fit in the footprint of the engineering drawings :)
A lot of duel dimensioned drawings when you are interfacing.
I just have to be able to convert back and forth, sometimes in a single sentence: “we are using a 500mm X 450mm base made from 1/16” sheet metal."
Yeah I’ve been here, in the US so getting raw stock in metric is prohibitively expensive. So sheet metal is where it all falls down and makes me a bit of a fibber. We would convert it to mm for the final drawings.
Before CNC’s were common I can tell you some horror stories going to a local machine shop needing it all in metric and you could hear the modem noises in their heads. We would bring them metric micrometers and scientific rulers to help them along. Mind you this was in the late 90’s and they were masters of their art, but metric wasn’t the norm in their world.
Didn’t that happen because of the Mars Climate Observer crashing? Caused by a us team using pounds-force-seconds where nasa expected newton-seconds (sending it hurtling towards mars at a too-low dip into the atmosphere)
Considering that most cookie recipes are usually at 170c or 350 f to 204c or 400 f, surely you can figure that out from context?
Especially since certain chemical reactions only begin to happen at the low side of that. For example the Maillard reaction enhances the flavor of sugars and such; or double acting baking powder (as well as greatly accelerating the reaction of single acting powder, soda or cream of tartar.)
Low temp ovens would just dry out that cookie or biscuit into dog treats.
Considering that most cookie recipes are usually at 170c or 350 f to 204c or 400 f, surely you can figure that out from context?
Well that was mostly an example, i never made cookies so i just said a random number
Especially since certain chemical reactions only begin to happen at the low side of that. For example the Maillard reaction enhances the flavor of sugars and such; or double acting baking powder (as well as greatly accelerating the reaction of single acting powder, soda or cream of tartar.)
Well, i am not a chemist, i just know a handful of stuff that i can use in everyday life, eg: using hydrogen peroxide to remove blood stained on clothing
Don’t even get me started on the yanks thinking cups is an acceptable measurement of both weight and volume.
And how big are we talking? Espresso cup or sports direct mug, because there’s a massive difference.
I’m not from the US and don’t use it, but a cup there is an actual measurement (for liquid - it’s not used to measure weight). 8 fluid ounces or about 240ml. The metric alternative of a US cup is 250ml
We don’t measure weights in cups, but we do measure some ingredients (like flour) by volume, so it’s not uncommon here to see a recipe that calls for 1 cup of flour instead of 120g
However, we do use “ounce” to mean both 1/8 of a cup in volume and 1/16 of a pound in weight…
Well that’s simply because there’s are 2 cups in a pint. So an ounce is 1/16 pint or 1/16 pound.
Never heard someone say mind your cups and pints, they’d have to be a hobbit. (Mind your p’s & q’s)
Usually they mean the imperial unit “cup” i fucking hate imperial…also, it’s annoying in this case because you have to guess that it’s the imperial unit and not a random cup
Nobody has ever read cooking instruction and thought “they mean for me to measure this with a mug from my cabinet” lol
However, in modern recipes, the US legal cup of 240 ml (about 8.45 British imperial fluid ounces or 8.12 US customary fluid ounces) is more commonly used.
I like how you just pulled that sentence out of context from the description for ONE country and ignored the dozen other countries with different measurements.
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You literally pulled up a cherry picked list of where there are discrepancies. You’re allowed to and im not?Also, would you look at that: almost all of them have converged to US customary or 250mL, which is within the tolerance for error.
You literally pulled up a cherry picked list of where there are discrepancies.
The entire point of this thread from the comment you replied to, is that ‘cup’ is an inexact unit of measurement that varies. My list is providing examples, I’m not seeing the issue here.
You’re allowed to and im not?
You were misrepresenting the statement as if it applied globally when in actuality it was meant for ONE country. That’s just bad faith discussion.
Also, would you look at that: almost all of them have converged to US customary or 250mL, which is within the tolerance for error.
Except for Latin America, the UK, most of Asia, parts of Europe, etc. 🙄
No, but they’ve probably thought “what fucking size cup do these twats mean and why can’t they just put an actual measurement”.
I’ll take your word for it. All of my measuring tools have cups on one side and mL on the other. Git gud scrub
Often, people look to the internet to learn things. Given that circu.stance, they may not have that foundational knowledge. So how are those scrubs supposed to git gud?
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To add insult to injury, a US cup is 236.6 millilitres, while a UK (imperial) cup is 170.48 millilitres. Not even close. There’s a whole lot of other measurements called “cup” too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cup_(unit)
I wanna kms at this point
What size cup is that?
30F (USA) i think
