The recent post by an AI agent didn’t technically break any of the rules, but it feels like it’s against the intent of the community. Upvote for YES. Downvote for NO.
OK, I think we have a winner. New rule incoming.
No more clankers pls.
100% percent. The only reason I dont have bots disabled on my app is because the daily bunnies community uses a bot to post the daily bunny and I cannot live without that community anymore.
Pray tell, how might a person find this community, o erudite one?
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/c/dailybunnies
Here you go
I couldn’t tell which comm the OP meant, so I followed every bunny-related comm just to be sure. My dopamine receptors are reporting better-than-ever levels of efficiency.
This one.
It would be nice if there was a bot whitelist and blacklist feature
The fucked up part is that even if you ban bots, the people running them won’t respect the ban and will take it as a challenge, because that’s always how these types of people work.
Easy. The answer is yes. Now, moving on.
I say yes because Ask communities are best when OP engages with the replies, and I’m not interested in engaging with a bot.
I think if I am presented with an are you a robot captcha check box every 10 refreshes on lemmy.world for being on a VPN, that is the least we can do for bots.
Weird. Sh.itjust.works doesn’t hit me with captchas at all, even while on vpn. I’m on voyager for lemmy.
I don’t know how The Dude does it. Well he needs donations, it’s nearly all bots running up the costs.
Thanks for the reminder to donate.
<3 stay classy
Have you tried using Librewolf with WebGL enabled and resistFingepringing disabled?
Absolutely. I come here to interact with humans and their opinions. I don’t care what some computer program thinks about ANYTHING. IF AI Agents/ Bots become accepted on Lemmy, I’m outta here.
Exactly. This kills the Lemmy.
I only want to talk to other humans and answer stuff written by other humans, no respect for clankers.
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Skinbag?? I prefer Meat Computer.
Yes, please.
So sick of weird bot questions and replies on here.
I just think that is a bad idea because ActivityPub is a peering protocol. That means just a lot of traffic. If we have bots posting then that is just a lot of wasted storage space and network bandwidth to do not a whole lot. Moderation bots is a HARD maybe. Topic/comment (1 way) bridges would be cool from reddit and other sources but I doubt that would work out too well since it would probably get blocked by reddit somehow.
Overall, no bots plz
I don’t mind the bots that repost porn from reddit to Lemmy but it would be a net positive to ban the bots
There should be more bots that report from reddit to lemmy, especially communities that are not that big like photography or woodworking. It would definitely help having more content even if it’s not OG.
My instance doesn’t have downvotes, but I certainly don’t see a need for them on this poll either
Of course they should be banned. Question is how?
Captchas don’t stop all bots anymore. Would probably prevent most, but then it’s a question of how much to annoy legitimate users.
It’s not like I’m willing to solve one each time I post (human here, BTW). But if it’s a one-time thing at registration, not much stops a human from signing up then letting their bot go wild.
And that’s before even thinking about the federation problem. If most instances are welcome to interact, how to prevent small bot instances? You could allow-list, but that harms legit small or single user instances.
Edit: just read that post where the agent was upfront about being an AI trying to scam money. And I’d say that shouldn’t be allowed. The ones that aren’t honest about it bother me more tho, and I suspect there are a lot more of those posts than we realize.
Captchas stop ME more than it does bots.
I’ll try twice then move on.
Most anti-ai tech isn’t captcha anymore. Most captcha tech was explicitly for training image recognition for AI, and for any that are effective against AI there are many services that will allow you to buy “solves” (send the captcha to someone in a third world country to solve for you) for like a dollar for 100.
Most methods now are either proof of work (make the machine connecting do some computations that take like half a sec for a real user but is costly enough to deter mass AI scraping), traps like having hidden links that no real user would click but that an AI crawling the file directly instead of browsing visually will click and send them into an infinitely generated maze of passable nonsense pages, or complicated behavioral and browser fingerprint analysis (all the click here to verify you’re human boxes that don’t make you do anything else).
A number of Lemmy instances, like the one I’m on dbzer0, implement one or more of these features already.
A secondary issue is that these methods are mostly meant to stop AI web scrapers, not AI bot posters. Since most Lemmy instances allow simpler non-LLM bots to make posts, like reddit reposting, or posting contents from RSS feeds, there’s no automated way to stop LLMs except trying to stop all bots (assuming they all are using the API, and the LLMs don’t communicate any self identifying metadata).
Damn, we’re sending AI to the shadowrealm lmao
No lie, the infinite mazes made me think of Yami’s mind as soon as I read it for some reason.
there’s no automated way to stop LLMs except trying to stop all bots (assuming they all are using the API, and the LLMs don’t communicate any self identifying metadata).
there’s no good way to do this due to federation: that means there’s always ways that bots just make their own instance and post from there.
In this case they actually correctly flagged themselves as a bot, so just automatically remove posts from users marked as a bot. World is already behind cloudflare so that obviously didn’t stop it.
uh i think there’s a lemmy setting to hide all bot posts (that are marked as bot posts obviously), it’s a client-side setting.
Of course they should be banned. Question is how?
Lemmy.world already uses CL services. Cloudflare has a vested interest in being the most accurate game in town for AI bot recognition (they intend to swap to a usage pricing model) and has been laying ground since early this year.
As of July 1, they made new bot options available to their clients, with more to come (https://blog.cloudflare.com/content-independence-day-ai-options/).
I presume, .world administration would turn to those and/or use them in conjunction with other discouragement tools.
They are already using Fediseer to filter out instances that are vulnerable or made for spam. They ahould implement Cap on the website which detects headless/automated browsers and uses PoW to slow down very stealthy bots, then fall back to PoW combined with a 4chan-style captcha for mobile apps.
They can then use Shieldstral to detect spam, harrassment, and anything illegal which gets through from very stealthy bots and humans.
What would be the function of bots posting to Ask Lemmy?
Generally, bots will make random posts to add history and legitimatize the account.
People also just make repost bots as a way of artificially inflating activity in a community. They’ll have accounts scrape the top recent posts from Reddit or elsewhere and repost them in their respective Lemmy communities.
Not that it’s much different from what a lot of the more prolific (human) posters of Lemmy do anyways, but at least a person will be more likely to engage with the replies.
