• The_Terrible_Humbaba@slrpnk.net
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    Meat is one of the bigger polutters. Meat industry is subsidized by the state. Plant based diets are still cheaper. The vast majority of people still choose to eat meat and actively mock vegans. Just go look at beef (worse meat for the environment) consumption stats in the US.

    That’s just one example.

    People say they want change but won’t take it where they can, because deep down it’s a lie and they just want someone to fix the problem without them having to do anything.

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        How so? Meat factories exist to feed the people who buy meat. The more people go vegan, the less meat those factories produce, until they shut down. There is no “green version” for the meat industry, it just has to die, and the alternatives already exist and are cheaper. The power is all on people’s hands. The government won’t do anything about (not even cut the large meat industry subsidies) as long as people keep eating tons of meat, because they know that would mean protests and losing elections.

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          I don’t know if I could prove this, but I would bet there are more vegans now than any time in history, and I know there is more meat produced than any time in history. being vegan doesn’t stop the growth of the meat industry.

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            Yeah, because there’s more people in total. That doesn’t mean people going vegan doesn’t stop the growth of the meat industry.

            Say 50% of people eat meat, and the other 50% are vegan. Then say the world population doubles. Now there will twice as many vegans, but there will also be twice as many meat eaters, and so meat production will double. But there’s still only half the meat production that there would be if 100% of people ate meat. And if you could get that value to 0% percent, there would be no meat industry.

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              if you could get that value to 0% percent, there would be no meat industry.

              meat production happened before trade. there is no reason to assume it will ever end.

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              there’s still only half the meat production that there would be if 100% of people ate meat.

              production determines availability. there is no reason to assume we could produce more meat than we do, given land and technology constraints.

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              1 hour ago

              Yeah, because there’s more people in total.

              make any excuse you want

              That doesn’t mean people going vegan doesn’t stop the growth of the meat industry.

              all the evidence is to the contrary

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                49 minutes ago

                I’ll reply all in one comment:

                make any excuse you want

                Sorry you failed math, I guess?

                all the evidence is to the contrary

                production determines availability. there is no reason to assume we could produce more meat than we do, given land and technology constraints.

                meat production happened before trade. there is no reason to assume it will ever end.

                Where do you think meat is going? Why do you think it was being produced before trade, for fun? And do you not understand the basic concept that less =/= more, and that less emissions is better than more emissions?

                It’s really not a hard concept to grasp, but go ahead and keep trying to hide your head in the sand and justify your consumerism while pretending to give a shit. I won’t bother wasting my time on someone who apparently can’t grasp basic math.

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                  do you not understand the basic concept that less =/= more, and that less emissions is better than more emissions?

                  yes, but there is no evidence that being vegan reduces the emissions from the meat industry.

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        Can you elaborate on this? Maybe give me some examples?

        Because for the vast majority of people in western countries (which have by far the most emissions per capita), it is much cheaper to eat a plant based diet. Rice, beans, and lentils are much cheaper and much healthier than eating beef every day of the week.