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  • I largely agree with this.

    My biggest point of agreement is that:

    DPRK should he able to chart their own course.

    It’s evident to me that this is not the case so long as the Kim regime is in charge.

    My biggest disagreement is that we don’t really know what kind of wealth the regime controls; they aren’t exactly forthcoming with that information. From the outside though, they resemble the economic distribution of many other dictatorships propped up as client states by empires.

    This was a pleasant conversation though; a nice break from telling fascists to get fucked.


  • Kim is the leader of the regime. Your argument sounds like capitalists who say “billionaires aren’t that wealthy, since their assets aren’t liquid.” Economic control is worth a hell of a lot more than currency.

    You say that there is little economic stratification, but where were the deaths occuring during the famines of the 90s? How many of the Kims succumbed to starvation?

    Yes, the US controls information and puts out propaganda as an imperialist regime. Controlling information is still a means of oppression, even when done by North Korea.

    And again, the labor is “organized” by the regime. It’s shocking to me that you find this controversial. This arrangement would be akin to having a union managed by HR in a capitalist structure: a cover to control labor.

    The website of the Korean Friendship Association states that “(The GFTUK) conducts ideological education to ensure its members fully understand the Juche idea and gets them to take part in socialist construction and the management of the socialist economy with the attitude befitting masters. It has its organizations in different branches of industry.” However, the North Korea Handbook states that the GFTUK is not designed to serve its members but the WPK. GFTUK is directly controlled by the Central Committee of the WPK.

    Are you saying that the Kim regime doesn’t control the WPK?


  • I never said they were an imperialist system, just that the extreme economic stratification is counter to their claims to be a leftist country.

    I also never claimed that the US didn’t devastate that region.

    I also never said that property was not state owned; my point was that the state exists to serve the Kim regime. You can clearly see how wealth and privilege are tied to loyalty to the regime. Like I said: workers have some economic freedom, but only so far as the regime allows. While the workers “own” the means on paper, they have very little say in the economic distribution of said production. In effect, the Kim regime owns the means of production.

    You’re making a claim that the North Koreans are happy with their situation, but like I said information is highly controlled there. Why is the regime so afraid of information getting in if that was a stable situation? Why is there a steady stream of defectors from the state (even under the threat of extreme violence)? Why is it illegal to collectively organize labor in North Korea? Isn’t that a foundational principle of Marxism? How can the workers advocate for their own rights if the only arm to do so is controlled by the violent regime, with incentives that are at odds?