Let me get this straight:
- Person A makes a social network
- People flock to it
- Person A sells the social network to person B
- Networks does a 180, destroying communitie; people outraged.
- Same person A makes a social network
- People flock to it.
- [surely we can predict what is going to happen here, right?]
This doesn’t really change your point at all, but I remember reading the tech news surrounding the Twitter sale to Musk as it was happening. If memory serves, Musk literally made the $420/share purchase offer as a joke, a joke that several lawsuits were filed to decide it was a serious and legally binding offer.
He memed his way into owning Twitter against his will, and then burned down everything to assuage his ego. But because he’s a goddamn billionaire there are literally no repercussions.
Bluesky is dead. Long live Mastodon.
Maybe we need to start writing our own articles like this.
is bluesky privately owned? What is preventing this whole thing just happening again?
there’s quite a few people in this thread with the same weird vitriol as reddit had.
if someone uses bluesky and you don’t, then why make yourself upset over it? i have both mastodon and bluesky. i use both.
I’m not sure why everything has to be a weird competition. some weird us vs. them shitfight.
its literally just a social media platform. jeez.
Because we all hate corpos.
May the corpos die
Because I have seen 10 posts about how Bluesky is the new Twitter on my Lemmy feed in two days. I overreacted a bit, but what you say goes both ways. Absolutely use what you like but there is no need to spam a new platform like that.
its because of all the new accounts that have been made there. that’s likely why you’re seeing so many posts about it.
a mass exodus from one twitter to another is a big deal for a lot of people.
Use word filters for the things you don’t want to see.
The same happened when everyone moved over from Dig to Reddit back in the day. It’s really annoying for like 2 weeks with everyone talking about it, and then it calmed down.
2 weeks? it was a lot longer than that. I mean hell there was a god damn multi-part comic about the “war” between digg and reddit. early reddit was a cringefest.
I do remember there was a sub about it. Don’t remember it infecting much beyond that though after the first few weeks. Perhaps I’m misremembering.
its literally just a social media platform. jeez.
And we know what kind of control the platform owners have. “Just” doesn’t cut it I think.
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Do you just call the owners of any company a Nazi? How are you defining Nazis here?
Judging by your upvotes I must be out of the loop on something here.I tried to look into this claim and all I found was a CEO that’s also a software dev Jay Graber: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Graber (Nothing controversial that I could find in her posts at a cursory glance)
A software dev that worked on XMPP (Jeremy Miller): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremie_Miller
And the CEO and founder of TechDirt (Mike Masnick): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Masnick
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I’ve never looked into Blockchain Capital much before, some quick search results show that they have invested in BlueSky (not enough to own/run the company from what I could find), but I don’t see anything that associates them with nazis.
How are you defining nazis here? What leads you to believe that Blockchain Capital is a nazi company? What links are there from Steve Banon to Blockchain Capital?
If I want an echo chamber, I’ll just go back to reddit. Bluesky is ass.
idk why the downvotes. you’re right.
Because Lemmy is equally an echo chamber, and historically people do not like being reminded of inconvenient truths.
Lemmy is an echo chamber you make yourself tho. There are no algorithms that push certain content to you. Obviously, if you only lurk on shit like hexbear, my condolences, but I don’t feel like Lemmy is an echo chamber, at least much less than reddit was.
In Bluesky you choose your own algorithms by adding feeds you follow.
Dunno. Unless they just output feeds in chronological order and maybe add some filter which I have explicitly defined myself, I’m not trusting any algorithms.
The Following feed is chronological and every other feed is mostly made by other people.
Echo chambers are not dependent on having an algorithmic feed. It just matters that the people you talk with and the information you consume, etc, filter out dissenting opinions from what you hold.
Lemmy is still very much an echo chamber simply by virtue of the people who tend to be here. But we can balance that with time spent on other platforms, IRL relationships, etc.
An echo chamber is an echo chamber. Whether natural or artificial. Lemmy is extremely one sided. Dissenting opinions are not tolerated nor welcome (from a political standpoint). Perhaps less so than reddit as Lemmy user base is much smaller.
I love that the people who weren’t smart enough to leave Twitter two years ago are now eagerly jumping from one frying pan into another.
Fortunately there have been a few who learned their lessons a bit late and came over to Mastodon.
But the rest of them? The one who tolerated the racism and misogyny that Musk brought with his red pilled idiots? Let them have Blue Sky and the rest of us can watch as history eventually repeats itself.
Tech so loves to repeat the same loops, and IMO I think it’s on us the fediverse for really failing to communicate the value of instances as well as making them easy.
(Number of people that have told me they think mastadon sounds like a good idea, but they don’t know how to pick the right instance). I try and smack them and say "it’s just like e-mail, you and your friends don’t have to choose gmail, your friend can be on yahoo, and you still talk to eachother. Whcih makes sense when explained, but it seems like few hear that kind of comparison.
So… we have a new platform, to replace twitter… yay!.. should we take counts on how long before either enshittification begins, flooding of ads or changes to be unusable), or it sells out to another already established billionare that abuses the power of media control etc…
it’s on us the fediverse for really failing to communicate the value of instances as well as making them easy
A bunch of people came over to Mastodon when Elon bought Twitter, but they left because it was missing features. The big ones I saw were
- a lack of “trending” list - that means journalists and other people who want to know what’s happening right now didn’t have a way to find events
- no suggestions for follows. As a new user, how do people know what to follow?
- no suggested posts. Once I scroll through all the posts from the people I follow, the system doesn’t provide me with new posts.
Also no quote tweets. And many people are used to algorithms now. I love Mastodon but I have to say Bluesky is more polished. Mastodon can be weird about threads and replies to posts. Sometimes I see a reply before I see the post, especially in the “lists” view. Chronological timeline is great but it has its own issues too. For example people living in different time zones will have their posts buried when everyone is asleep. The algorithm, for better or worse, shuffles things around which can work for you or against you. If you browse for 5 mins here and there, algorithm helps you see the most relevant posts in that widow. Having both chronological and algorthimic feeds would be so helpful to me in Mastodon. I know there a front end that does a “catch up” feature, but it’s a bit hacky
Honestly that’s the most poorly designed part of mastodon, replies aren’t arranged chronologically. You click on a comment you see a few replies to it then go back and scroll down you see some more replies but they are just tagged comments to the person they replied like it doesn’t make any sense at all
Honestly, mastodon uses a open protocol, so in my opinion having an algorithm feed is a missing feature of the client/frontend that is used to interact with mastodon rather than a mastodon backend issue.
I read an article today about these newer social media apps, and they mentioned that Masto is focusing now on quote posts among other features, so that may be coming soon.
Oh yeah, I forgot about quote tweets.
A couple of those items have at least been addressed to varying degrees now.
There’s definitely a screen to show you “who to follow” now, and an Explore tab to show popular posts of the day.
Not saying that solves all the problems, but at least they have made some strides in the last couple of years.
Yeah, I assumed there would be progress. Here’s hoping the next time there’s a wave of registrations, the users stick around.
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That’s lazy journalism. There’s a functional search bar as well as trending hashtags.
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There will never be suggestions by design, but there’s accounts like FediFollow and guides on how to get started with Mastodon. If you meet those people in the future, tell them to follow hashtags for topics they like, and encourage them to start using hashtags. They’ll find people that way.
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This is also by design: there’s no suggestions, because there’s no algorithm. You decide what goes on in your feed (boosting is another important part of that). If you’ve looked at everything, explore a new hashtag, follow more people, check the Local or Global feeds, or Satan forbid anyone actually take that as a sign to take a break and go touch grass.
heaven forbid if people had to start using their own brains again
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Quite true… I suppose that’s also the problem of the networks that are focused at privacy/control nerds first, and trying to get more mainstream users second.
The suggested follow is the types of features we are afraid of… The developers came to these places because they don’t want to be told what to do… IE literally that’s the exact problem with twitter right now, is Musk is personally shoving his right wing crap in our faces whether we want to look at it or not. But what regular people want… is to have crap shoved in their faces that they like and agree with.
Which I suppose development of mastadon and the like just hadn’t reached the point, we go at minimum viable, and get what you specifically are looking for… with a lack of excitement for trying to use algorythms to tell people what they like.
or it sells out to another already established billionare that abuses the power of media control etc…
This cannot be overstated. That’s exactly how Elon ended up with Twitter, and nobody should think for a second that there aren’t richer, more tactful billionaires who could keep people credulously swimming in the propaganda in order to make their power plays.
I give it four years before their first enshittifying changes are announced.
richer, more tactful billionaires
It’s not even that complicated: at some point the non-billionaire investors are going to want a return on their investment, and they’re going to push BlueSky, Inc. public and that’s the end of that.
An IPO is every bit as bad for independence as a nutjob buying your company, because you’re really just selling your company to every nutjob who puts up $10.
Whcih makes sense when explained, but it seems like few hear that kind of comparison.
And then you bring up defederation and/or how instances can die at any time and you lose them again…
At least that’s how it usually goes for me and trying to advertise Lemmy. Not really a fan of “microblogging” to begin with no matter the platform.
Long live Activity Pub.
Same as the old boss…
This one is probably also run by a right wing techie as well
I’m OK with that, as long as they keep their mouths shut.
My only interest regarding Bluesky is i don’t care about Bluesky. Long live Mastodon, Lemmy, Fedia, and the rest of the Fediverse!
Lol, Blusky fan boys are quite active today. I’m sure this millionnaire’s toy will be better than the previous one, good luck.
The way I look at it, I know it’s probably going to end up being shit in the end, but it’ll be a few years until that happens, and it will be fun in the meantime.
Just because you know I’ll have to leave at some point doesn’t mean that you don’t enjoy the party while it lasts
And then what? You’ll move to Truth social? Then Thread? And then to X2? Meanwhile there’s a decentralize alternative that gives back the control to users, you’re welcome to join.
I don’t think it’d have to be either or. People can join both or just one it doesn’t really matter, If it ends up being another dumpster fire then people will move off just like they did X.
Most people will go where most of the people are going and that’s blue sky not Mastodon.
I disagree. People that didn’t left twitter when Musk took over are like people who didn’t vote in the US election: enablers. In my opinion, if you accept to take part in the nazi shithole that X is, you are in the end validating it’s existence.
What are you disagreeing with exactly because I didn’t say anything about X.
I’m taking about Mastodon versus bluesky
I think joining bluesky is validating another for-profit business that will do anything to profit from it’s userbase. Like facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Titktok, etc. the ONLY goal of capitalist business is to generate profit, so they will throw you under the bus the very second they think they can make more money by doing do. But yeah, you’re free to join bluesky until it becomes so shitty that you’ll want to join the shinny new capitalist alternative, created by the exact same people lol.
Bluesky can fuck right off as well. I tried it to see if it was any different than Twitter but I had to nope out after 10 minutes.
I’ve never understood the whole Twitter formula anyways. Scroll through endless ramblings of people I don’t care about? No thanks.
There are far better places to stay informed about certain topics or get in touch with people you know.
Not every social media format is for everyone, no need to be hostile about it. I just can’t bring myself to engage with TikTok and Reels and such, but other people really like them and why would that be a problem for me?
Well, I do believe twitter makes people less intelligent^* which lead to Americans electing Trump (twice even), which eventually impacts me somewhere down the line.
^* Because the focus on short sentence and the engagement algorithms favours highly polarised angry one liners that trigger primal emotion and is a successful assassination of any intelligent discourse.
And I say that having seen the progressive brain rot of my parents after they retired and started doomscrolling on twitter and being bombarded by more and more extreme messages, until it became a constant stream that can be summarised roughly by “brown people = bad”.
Outlets like Fox News play a way bigger role in that.
What about his comment is hostile?
These parts:
Bluesky can fuck right off as well. I tried it to see if it was any different than Twitter but I had to nope out after 10 minutes.
I’ve never understood the whole Twitter formula anyways. Scroll through endless ramblings of people I don’t care about? No thanks.
There are far better places to stay informed about certain topics or get in touch with people you know.
Yeeeah, none of those are particularly hostile sounding to me. He just doesn’t like the platform and is stating so. Notice how he didn’t say something like “Anyone who likes BlueSky can fuck right off”. He shared his opinion on an inanimate webpage, thats all.
Pitch perfect snark, 10/10.
Cry me a river shill lmao
There isn’t a better place to get sports news than twitter. I’m seeing a lot of sports writers personalities start to post on Blue sky. I love it.
Just because democrats are leaving Twitter, this doesn’t make it dead in the slightest sense of the word
The feetdraggers will slowly, begrudgingly follow–as always.
Maybe they should have done this about a year ago.
