Sociopath. Even if you hate the guy, if you’re a public figure like trump, the least you can do is muster a bit of empathy.
But he can’t, because he can’t even fathom the concept of empathy. It’s completely foreign to him.
Electing sociopaths is how you get war and genocide, as we’ve known for millennia. And we’ve given a total sociopath the levers of genocide, both abroad and at home.
Not that I think he had much in the way of empathy prior to this, but he lacks a filter of any kind which is a symptom I had to repeatedly apologize for when my grandfather’s dementia got worse.
The dude has full on dementia, no one is doing anything and he will continue to degrade both himself and the reputation of anything associated with him as this keeps going.
Funnily enough, dipshit donny might be the best publically perceivable evidence of the need for reform we will ever get.
Plenty of countries have laws that fine or otherwise punish people that do not vote, afaik this doesn’t tend to lead to better functioning democracies. I think this is a thing where the carrot works better than the stick.
What if A gets 26% of the vote, B gets 25%, C gets 24%, D gets 15%, and E gets 10%?
The standard method of ranked choice voting: E gets eliminated as they have the least, everyone who voted for them goes to their next ranked choice. Repeat until one person has over 50%.
Please forgive any ignorance on my part, but would it be required that we’d know what the 2nd (and 3rd and 4th and so on) preferences of those who voted for E in the first choice?
If so, and if such could be done, what if of those who voted for E on their first choice, in their second preference, half of them (i.e. half of 10% being 5%) voted for C, a third of them voted for B, and a sixth of them voted for A;
meanwhile two-thirds of those who voted in their first preference for A, half of those who voted in their first preference for B, and a third of those who voted in their first preference for C, voted for D in their 2nd preference?
—i.e. (⅔ x 26%) + (½ x 25%) + (⅓ x 24%) = 16⅔% + 12½% + 8% = 36⅚%.
Please forgive any ignorance on my part, but would it be required that we’d know what the 2nd (and 3rd and 4th and so on) preferences of those who voted for E in the first choice?
Yes. Please look up “How ranked choice voting works” instead of asking randos on social media to explain it to you. The information is readily available.
Ranked voting is any voting system that uses voters’ rankings of candidates to choose a single winner or multiple winners. More formally, a ranked vote system depends only on voters’ order of preference of the candidates.
Ranked voting systems vary dramatically in how preferences are tabulated and counted. This gives them different properties with respect to satisfying various voting groups and adherence to mathematical rules.
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Some ranked vote systems do not use ranking to transfer votes but instead use ranks as weights. These systems are called positional voting. In the Borda method, the least-favored candidates on each ballot receive fewer points; the most-favored receive more points. The points on each ballot for each candidate are added together, and the candidate with the most points is elected.
Glad you were able to find the answers on your own for the potential options.
Seeing as Lemmy is not in charge of implementing it I didn’t see the point of having Randos argue over which specific version of ranked choice voting to use, as I’m sure we can all agree that any version is better than what is currently being used.
I’d like to believe but do you really see a future where old (white) dudes in power will vote in favor of a reform where old dudes arent allowed to be in power because they are “supposedly” unfit for it?
Yeah that wont be happening any time soon in my opinion.
They could vote for the legislation, maybe push for an amendment, that doesn’t kick in for about 10 years.
e.g. starting 1 January 2036, no person can be a member of Congress who has been in office for 10 or more years, consecutively or non-consecutively. This does not apply to any person who was a Congressperson at the time that this amendment was ratified; and years served before 1 January 2030 will not count.
and/or,
e.g. notwithstanding the aforementioned, starting 1 January 2060, no person can be a member of Congress who has been a member of Congress for 10 or more years, consecutively or non-consecutively.
nonetheless, my example indicates that positive change is still possible, not soon but neither too long, even by such incumbents.
If they did this 20 years ago, and my suggested dates were 20 years earlier, wp:Chip Roy couldn’t run in 2030, wp:Matt Gaetz couldn’t run in 2028, and wp:Mike Johnson could not run this November.
Also does not make them to blame for Trump above all the people who voted for Trump, and all the politicians actively supporting him and not reigning him in.
You didn’t brought trump raping kids in the comment I reply to. You don’t seem like a good faith user. Israel rape children with usa diplomatic cover. Trump is also complicit with genocide so yeah i hope both trump and biden suffer
Anyone that has an ounce of respect for him based on what he has done throughout his life and the harm he has caused on untold millions of people deserves no respect either.
It’s not about respect for his actions, of course they’re terrible, it’s about respect for a human being suffering. There is no real point to wish suffering on anyone, other’s suffering never helped anything except satisfy one’s vengeful fantasies/sadism. If someone is hurting others, you make them stop hurting others, but you still give them basic human respect, i.e. don’t make them suffer needlessly etc
Yes, I do have empathy for sick old humans. I wish Trump was safe in a nursing home or wherever, wouldn’t feel the need for constant validation and would feel loved. He’s quite obviously got massive internal struggles that make him do terrible things to feel less terrible himself, if he was doing better, I’m sure he wouldn’t do any of the things he’s doing and likely wouldn’t be president or similar.
People that are able to say stuff like this are exactly why we have the situation we’re having. If you can turn off your empathy for the “bad guys”, all it takes is just misidentifying the “bad guys” once, either by mistake or on purpose or by being manipulated.
Even serial killers or mass murders deserve some basic respect. You got to deal with them appropriately so they can’t be a threat anymore, but once that’s done, the respect should be the same as for anyone else.
Grieving one’s death, and acknowledging that they have a horrible disease that will almost certainly lead them to a slow and painful death at their advanced age, are not the same thing.
The thing about cancer, is that it doesn’t care if you’re a good guy or a bad guy. Cancer is random. Cancer is nature’s Thanos-snap. One’s actions leading up to a diagnosis are largely irrelevant.
Cancer isn’t a punishment. Though the people in this thread who seem to think it is, or perhaps want it to be, are failing a basic empathy test as spectacularly as Trump just did.
That’s actually not how respect works at all, what your thinking of is adoration. Respect is lost, if you don’t start with a baseline of respect for everyone, you don’t respect anyone.
Sociopath. Even if you hate the guy, if you’re a public figure like trump, the least you can do is muster a bit of empathy.
But he can’t, because he can’t even fathom the concept of empathy. It’s completely foreign to him.
Electing sociopaths is how you get war and genocide, as we’ve known for millennia. And we’ve given a total sociopath the levers of genocide, both abroad and at home.
Not that I think he had much in the way of empathy prior to this, but he lacks a filter of any kind which is a symptom I had to repeatedly apologize for when my grandfather’s dementia got worse.
The dude has full on dementia, no one is doing anything and he will continue to degrade both himself and the reputation of anything associated with him as this keeps going.
Funnily enough, dipshit donny might be the best publically perceivable evidence of the need for reform we will ever get.
Reforms that are needed:
I’m sure there are more, but this is just off the top of my head.
I’d go with term limits as well. Too many people in what are essentially life terms
Plenty of countries have laws that fine or otherwise punish people that do not vote, afaik this doesn’t tend to lead to better functioning democracies. I think this is a thing where the carrot works better than the stick.
The standard method of ranked choice voting: E gets eliminated as they have the least, everyone who voted for them goes to their next ranked choice. Repeat until one person has over 50%.
Please forgive any ignorance on my part, but would it be required that we’d know what the 2nd (and 3rd and 4th and so on) preferences of those who voted for E in the first choice?
If so, and if such could be done, what if of those who voted for E on their first choice, in their second preference, half of them (i.e. half of 10% being 5%) voted for C, a third of them voted for B, and a sixth of them voted for A;
meanwhile two-thirds of those who voted in their first preference for A, half of those who voted in their first preference for B, and a third of those who voted in their first preference for C, voted for D in their 2nd preference? —i.e. (⅔ x 26%) + (½ x 25%) + (⅓ x 24%) = 16⅔% + 12½% + 8% = 36⅚%.
Yes. Please look up “How ranked choice voting works” instead of asking randos on social media to explain it to you. The information is readily available.
wp:Ranked voting
(my bold)
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Glad you were able to find the answers on your own for the potential options.
Seeing as Lemmy is not in charge of implementing it I didn’t see the point of having Randos argue over which specific version of ranked choice voting to use, as I’m sure we can all agree that any version is better than what is currently being used.
Here’s a brief explanation of how preferential voting works in Australia: https://www.chickennation.com/voting/
I’d like to believe but do you really see a future where old (white) dudes in power will vote in favor of a reform where old dudes arent allowed to be in power because they are “supposedly” unfit for it?
Yeah that wont be happening any time soon in my opinion.
They could vote for the legislation, maybe push for an amendment, that doesn’t kick in for about 10 years.
e.g. starting 1 January 2036, no person can be a member of Congress who has been in office for 10 or more years, consecutively or non-consecutively. This does not apply to any person who was a Congressperson at the time that this amendment was ratified; and years served before 1 January 2030 will not count.
and/or,
e.g. notwithstanding the aforementioned, starting 1 January 2060, no person can be a member of Congress who has been a member of Congress for 10 or more years, consecutively or non-consecutively.
“they’ll only vote for policies that benefit the country if it doesn’t affect them” tells you everything about the people currently in power.
Agreed, it does;
nonetheless, my example indicates that positive change is still possible, not soon but neither too long, even by such incumbents.
If they did this 20 years ago, and my suggested dates were 20 years earlier, wp:Chip Roy couldn’t run in 2030, wp:Matt Gaetz couldn’t run in 2028, and wp:Mike Johnson could not run this November.
He doesn’t need to have empathy, he could just say nothing.
Respect is earned while someone is alive and healthy, Biden has earned no respect.
Despite his many crimes, I am nearly sure Joe Biden has done more to deserve respect than you ever will.
“If Biden deserves so much respect, then why am I still an asshole?”
- Assholes
Biden is a war criminal that prepped the way for Trump to come to power.
If you feel any pitty for him, you should stop NOW.
Username checks out
Being a Democrat in name only, does not make you a decent person whatsoever.
Mr hair sniffer, stall on Ukraine, drill in the arcticson, is not a good person.
Also does not make them to blame for Trump above all the people who voted for Trump, and all the politicians actively supporting him and not reigning him in.
Whataboutism
Genocide is the mother of all crimes. Financing it nullify all the good thing you did. He also supported balkanizing Iraq.
Yeah and the other guy rapes children. What’s the point of comparison in this scenario?
It’s not a fucking contest. They’re both pieces of shit.
You didn’t brought trump raping kids in the comment I reply to. You don’t seem like a good faith user. Israel rape children with usa diplomatic cover. Trump is also complicit with genocide so yeah i hope both trump and biden suffer
“both sides”
Yes both deserve to suffer
Thought successfully terminated. Well done citizen.
Both sides need to die where we dance on their graves.
Anyone that has an ounce of respect for him based on what he has done throughout his life and the harm he has caused on untold millions of people deserves no respect either.
It’s not about respect for his actions, of course they’re terrible, it’s about respect for a human being suffering. There is no real point to wish suffering on anyone, other’s suffering never helped anything except satisfy one’s vengeful fantasies/sadism. If someone is hurting others, you make them stop hurting others, but you still give them basic human respect, i.e. don’t make them suffer needlessly etc
You have empathy for Trump’s dementia?
Yes, I do have empathy for sick old humans. I wish Trump was safe in a nursing home or wherever, wouldn’t feel the need for constant validation and would feel loved. He’s quite obviously got massive internal struggles that make him do terrible things to feel less terrible himself, if he was doing better, I’m sure he wouldn’t do any of the things he’s doing and likely wouldn’t be president or similar.
No. Basic respect for the life of your fellow human is intrinsic. Nobody should have to earn the right to live, jackass.
When the actions they’ve committed throughout their life has led to the harm of others, there is no intrinsic respect.
People that are able to say stuff like this are exactly why we have the situation we’re having. If you can turn off your empathy for the “bad guys”, all it takes is just misidentifying the “bad guys” once, either by mistake or on purpose or by being manipulated.
Even serial killers or mass murders deserve some basic respect. You got to deal with them appropriately so they can’t be a threat anymore, but once that’s done, the respect should be the same as for anyone else.
Did you grieve when Charles Manson or Jeffery Epstein died?
No, why? I do not grieve for most of people’s deaths.
So your basic respect for them doesn’t necessitate your grieving their deaths?
Of course not. If I grieved every person’s death, I would be constantly grieving.
Grieving one’s death, and acknowledging that they have a horrible disease that will almost certainly lead them to a slow and painful death at their advanced age, are not the same thing.
The thing about cancer, is that it doesn’t care if you’re a good guy or a bad guy. Cancer is random. Cancer is nature’s Thanos-snap. One’s actions leading up to a diagnosis are largely irrelevant.
Cancer isn’t a punishment. Though the people in this thread who seem to think it is, or perhaps want it to be, are failing a basic empathy test as spectacularly as Trump just did.
even hitler?
Life must be simple without nuance.
Nuance is not needed, he caused harm and that’s what he needs to be remembered for
That’s actually not how respect works at all, what your thinking of is adoration. Respect is lost, if you don’t start with a baseline of respect for everyone, you don’t respect anyone.
Respect and derision are not the only choices.
e: for example, failure to even acknowledge is a deeper social slight. But that requires a bit of sophistication.
Neither have you. So get lost to the maga community on lemmy (if there even is one)
reddit.world moment when not respecting a genocider makes you a trumper apparently
Incapable of believing that a critique of one piece of shit implies endorsement of the other piece of shit?
So if you treat someone with respect you endorse them?
If Trump was choking on a big piece of cheesecake, would you perform the Heimlich maneuver on him if it’d save his life?
If he said thank you and extended his hand, would you shake it?
Public figures have even more reasons not to muster empathy for genocide supporters
Wish we had public figures that were unbothered by it for cool reasons.
Had me until you said “muster a bit of empathy”. Trump would never.
Could never, even.
talks about genocide and then wants empathy for the scumbag they called Genocide Joe.