“Being given multiple opportunities.”

Damn, you’re actually nuts. Please get help for all our sakes.

I wouldn’t say that about sexual orientation because unlike gender, sexual orientation can’t be changed, as far as I know.

Philosophically there are two schools of thought. Either gender is arbitrary (1), or gender is not arbitrary (2). If the former, then people’s gender is entirely determined by their preferences, and it can change. If the latter, then there are factors outside of one’s preferences that determine their gender, which cannot change based on personal reflection.

Most people believe that gender can change (position 1). Ergo, my phrasing. Trans men are men. (And gender can change based on your preferences). I’ll freely admit I phrased my reply in a way intended to confuse and annoy you.

No offense but you’ve lost track of this conversation, and I don’t like playing word games. I feel like you’re pivoting to trans rights (???) despite the fact that we almost certainly agree.

A minute ago you were defending men’s rights. Now you want to have a philosophical discussion about the nature of gender? I’m happy to have that conversation, and I doubt we ultimately disagree, but why? What possible bearing does it have on our disagreement over whether “nobody cares about men’s issues?” When in fact as far as I can tell our entire society is organized to help young men succeed.

Because men in prison, in numbers exponentially more than women, is a much bigger problem.

I agree, but other men disagree. They don’t care or consider that a problem at all. Have you met men?

You win. Men have lots of exclusively male problems because, uhh (checks notes), I refused to play your Shibboleth game about trans people.

Women who are now trans men weren’t always trans men, were they? Maybe they thought of themselves as women for a long time before changing their mind.

What a bizarre argument to have in a thread showcasing your lack of understanding for the kind of things men actually care about and politics in general.

I looked at your image. Let’s say the drug war affects men more than women by imprisoning them. I’ll give you that one. Unfortunately, most men don’t care about this issue. In fact they would probably approve.

Here’s a related one: prison rape. It’s a serious problem that affects more men than women. Unfortunately, men don’t care about this issue either. If we talked about it we’d lose the election even worse.

Another male exclusive problem: online radicalization… the infamous alt-right pipeline. This odious trend has reduced male college attendance and made my fellow American men even stupider than they otherwise would be.

Another exclusively male problem: dating culture disparity. Men are expected to pay for dates despite nearly equivalent earning potential.

Why didn’t you mention any of that? Instead you’re focused on the one in a million women who are now trans men who are giving birth (???)

“The drug war” is not a male-exclusive problem. That would be like saying that because men are responsible for perpetrating 99% of violent crime, violence is an exclusively male problem. Notice I didn’t say that.

Also, are you sure you want me to add “trans male pregnancy” to the list of male problems? Are you quite sure this is something your fellow men feel strongly about? Don’t be dishonest, please.

So to be clear, one of the main issues that men in this country face that women do not face is that “their mental health issues are ignored”?

Who is “ignoring” these mental health issues? There’s no systematic lack of access that needs to be legislated, correct? I had absolutely zero problem getting therapy as a man. It’s a toxic masculinity thing of men themselves being unwilling to see a therapist. Correct?

So your claim is that “mental health issues” are an exclusively male problem? Because again, the problems I listed for women affect them exclusively.

So do you see what the problem is here?

EDIT: people that downvote this benign comment are proving me right. Braindead.

But I would be lying.

Look, name an issue that exclusively affects men, and I’ll amend my list. So far, no one has come up with anything.

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Nowhere in this thread has anyone discussed issues that exclusively affect men. There are very few such issues and all of them are trivial.

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I wish so much that I was wrong, but I am not.

My fellow American men are unfeeling morons. They revile science, art, philosophy, nature, meaning — literally anything and everything that matters. Their lives are nothing but self-fellating gratifications and consumerism: sports, trucks, video games. For every intelligent American man there are 5 barely sentient unempathetic subhumans whose lives are as shallow as they are meaningless.

That is what I have learned in my 30 years on this planet. The number of good men I’ve met — just met — I can count on the fingers of one hand.

Oh yeah, good point.

It falls short because researching manosphere conspiracy theory bullshit is not exactly easy.

The Latino men are one example. My point is that Democrats focused on policy and policy is ineffective when the electorate is a bunch of barely sentient macho dipshits angry about economic issues they can’t understand (not to mention most young men are broke and can’t get laid). You use populism. You blame the rich. You blame the wealthy elites. You channel Bernie Sanders.

Every other sentence out of Harris’s mouth should have been about the billionaires stealing from the working class. Instead we saw a bunch of well reasoned economic policy that went completely over everyone’s head.