Commodification of art is soul less. Doesn’t matter if a person makes the commodity or a machine. It’s meant to be aesthetically pleasing or elicit an emotion to sell something. It’s not really art anymore than what I’m writing here is art.

Art is about playful self-expression and often sharing that expression with those who appreciate it.

And AI creative writing is garbage too. I had Gemini write some poetry for me yesterday out of curiosity, and, as someone that writes poetry, I’ll just say it was formulaic and predictable. It has no understanding of the medium, it’s history, why things are done in certain ways, or ability to play with the many forms poetry may take. It’s a good enough replica for people who want to write a shitty rhyming poem. Like we all learned to do as children. And it has a huge vocabulary to make rhymes with. But it was still uninspired drivel.

For creative writing, it’s a tool. Not a writer. And for technical writing, well, it’s often wrong about things so… still a tool.

Actually, your comment is.

I write poetry, and I don’t care if an AI can write it ‘better’. Because I enjoy doing it and sharing it with other people that enjoy it.

It’s art. Not a Big Mac. I make it to feed myself and other people that enjoy it. Not to sell billions of burgers or books.

The patterns in poetry date back to when writing was less common. They’re mnemonic devices.

Today, they’re still valuable when performing poetry.

I tend to not follow typical rhyme patterns, use off rhymes, non-ending lines, alliterations, etc. instead. I always found the typical rhyme schemes I was taught in school stifling, but as I’ve practiced my craft more, I have gotten more comfortable incorporating them into my toolbox.

Anyway, so many non-poets commenting in this thread. People who are serious about poetry know that they’re unlikely to make a living off it. We write because we get joy out of making and sharing our art. A lot of poetry is still performed at open mics and poetry slams. And most of it is shared with people we know who appreciate it. In other words, most poetry isn’t written with the intention of ever publishing it.

It’s something we enjoy playing with, in other words. And until a machine can experience joy and playfulness, they’re not doing art. Only copying it.

Art is in the act of creating it. Not in the final product to be bought and sold on the market.

A kid coloring is making art. The joy they get in the making is the art and is the point.

I feel sorry for so many people in this thread who keep approaching this from the point of view of consumer markets. It doesn’t matter if someone can determine an AI colored picture from a child’s. The AI derives no joy in the creation. It’s not art, but a copy.

There’s a lot of consumer/commodity notions about art in this thread.

I write poetry because self-expression helps me appreciate life more deeply. I share my self-expression with others who will appreciate it. Mostly, people who know me personally and other poets.

Art is soul food. Until machines realize they exist, and one day will not exist, they can’t self-express, and aren’t doing art.

They can imitate it well enough to fool consumers. But that doesn’t make it art.

To quote one of my favorite lines, sticking feathers up your ass does not make you a chicken.

Poets. You know, people who appreciate making and sharing that kind of art.

That’s a commodity/consumerist take on art.

I write poetry because making art feeds my soul. I share my poetry because it feeds others, especially other poets.

I don’t write poetry to sell it on Amazon.

Poetry doesn’t need to rhyme. Rhyming is a mnemonic device, so a poem can be memorized and performed.

There are many other devices.

Also, nice poem. Did you write it or chatGPT?

Technology generally isn’t good or bad. A surgeon’s scalpel for example, can both heal or hurt, depending on the skill and intentions of the user.

What AI is, is powerful. Which makes it good in the hands of some, and very, very bad in the hands of others. This isn’t just about censorship or capitalism. One of the first of the newer AIs was able to generate 1,000s of novel lethal compounds overnight by changing a single parameter. That’s just on the medical/warfare/terrorism side of things.

Social trust is likely to erode as deep fake technology gets into the hands of literally everyone. State actors will go after other states, as we’re seeing in elections already. And rogue actors will be able to spread misinformation or use the technology to con people. Corporate actors are already using the technology to manipulate people for profit. With harmful outcomes apparent.

I’m not an AI hater btw. The advances we’ll see in medical technology, microbiology, and understanding large systems like weather and societies, will be and is amazing. But, there’s no guard rails at the moment and won’t be any likely in the years ahead. It will be a wild ride and AI is just one more thing that’s going to drastically change our world in the coming two decades. Some of it will be good. And a lot of it will be bad.

Corporations are inherently evil.

More and more people are using speech to text. And it does show how differently people speak than write (apparently I never say my be in because, for example).

But it also means that llms aren’t only being fed text, but also speech converted into text.

As well as revealing epigenetics. Which killed the nature/nurture shit.

Fucked up is a matter of perspective. If you’re an oligarch, it’s all going according to plan.

Yeah I know. But I wanted to point out that the comment in the article wasn’t so much a real consideration as business risk analysis 101. Along with a healthy dose of corporate spin.

A spokeswoman for OpenAI declined to comment beyond pointing BI to a corporate blogpost from May, in which the company says it takes web crawler permissions “into account each time we train a new model.

The translation for this is do we stand to profit more than we stand to be punished.

Basic capitalist risk assessment in other words.

I imagine some people already are.

I thought the main issue was that AI don’t really know how to say I don’t know or second guess themselves, as it would take a lot more robust architecture with multiple feedback loops. Like a brain.

Anyway, LLM’s aren’t the only AI that do this. So them being trained on Facebook data certainly isn’t the whole issue.

It’s not posting is the point.

Android phones back all photos up onto the Google cloud by default. Not everyone knows to turn this off.

Even funnier if Google also partners with a competitor, and Elon’s employees have to go back to flip phones

We have a refrigerator from the '80s that runs like a champ.

Solved the energy problem by putting solar panels on the roof.