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Adding Edit to the beginning to stop the replies from people who read the scenario for context and can’t fight their compulsion to reply by nitpicking my completely made up list of “unbiased” metrics. To these peeps I say, “Fucking no. Bad dog. No!” I don’t fucking care about your commentary to a quickly made up scenario. Whatever qualms you have, just fuckin change the imaginary scenario so it fits the purpose of what the purpose of the story is serving.

-Preface of actual comment:

Completely made up scenario to give context to my question. This is not me defending anything referenced to the article.

-Actual scenario with read, write, edit permissions to all users:

What if the court order the release of the AI code and training methods for this tenant analysis AI bot and found the metrics used were simply credit score, salary, employer and former rental references. No supplied data for race, name, background check or anything else that would tip the boy toward or away from any bias results. So this pure as it could be bot still produces the same results as seen in the article. Again, imaginary scenario that is likely no foundation of truth.

-My questions for the provided context:

1. Are there studies that compare methods of training LLMs with results showing differences in results ranging from less or no racist bias and more racist bias?

2. Are there ways of training LLMs to perform without bias or is the problem with the LLM’s code and no matter how you train them there will always be a bias presence?

3. In the exact imaginary scenario, would the pure, unbiased angel version of rhe AI bot but producing equally racist results as biased trained AI bots see different court rulings that the AI that shows it’s flawed design caused the biased results?

-I’m using bias over racist to reach broader area beyond race related issues. My driving purposes is:

1. To better understand how courts are handling AI related cases and if they give a fuck about the framework and design of the AI or if none of that matters and the courts are just looking at the results;

2. Wondering if there are ways to make or already made LLMs that aren’t biased and what about their design makes them biased, is it the doing of the makers of the LLM or is it the training and implication of the LLM by the enduser/training party that is to blame?

Obligatory preface written after comment was written:

I am in no way a statistician or data analysis guru. I admit I could be looking at this shit entirely wrong and welcome anybody who corrects anything I I’m looking at incorrectly.

Actual comment:

The entire report itself is skewed as fuck before Rolling Stone cherry picked the fuck out of it for the article to slam Tesla. Listen I’m as sick of Elon as the next but these fucking shit on everything Elon hiveminds are so much more fucking obnoxious. Theyre always 10 to 1 comments by people who didnt read the article to comments by people who did.

At the end is the actual image from the site that issued the report. I didnt bother with a source link because it’s right in the article OP posted.

Issues with the article and report:

1. The figures are not for every car on the road it only covers cars made between 2018 and 2022. Not a big deal but still deceiving as fuck to theme the article as Tesla has one of the highest death rates. Cuz they left the time frame out of the RS article. Kinda how they left out the fact that only 1 tesla is in the top 6 and the other Tesla is second to last with a flood of much larger much more common vehicle names that fill in between 1 and 23.

2. Each rate is calculated off 1 billion miles driven per year. When you put any Tesla model up next to any Ford, Honda, GM, Toyota, etc the % of all teslas on the road are going to be ridiculously higher than the % of the other much larger industry makes and models on the road that it takes to reach 1 billion miles. Because idk if I explained that well here is a made up scenario to illustrate it. Let’s say there are 1000 teslas on the road compared to 1,000,000 Prius on the road. The tesla death rates are based out of 1000 Teslas driving 1,000,000 miles each. Whereas the Prius death rates are based off 1,000,000 Prius’ driving 1,000 miles each.

3. Remember point 2 as it plays into point 3. The method they used to calculate the rate outlined in point 2, I believe is normal when govt is figuring out vehicle death rates by category, location, driver age, etc. However the study they reference is specifically for death rates per vehicle make. Which makes the methods used for calculating deathrate by make and model completely fucked. They should’ve done the same number of cars per each make and model type as well as the same miles driven to get a comparable outcome of death rates per make amd model over 4 year span.

What the fuck you aren’t kidding. I have comment replies to trolls that are longer than that article. The over the top citations also makes me think this was entirely written by an actual AI bot that was lrompted to supply x amoint of sources in their article. Lol

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Google is going to get broken up. To what extent is the question. Companies positioning themselves for the aftermath of the Google break up like this isnt too wierd. Who knows what companies will aquire which Google assets so having your own means to seperate yourself from Google is just playing it safe.

I’m learning new lemmy shit daily still, like this exactly. I’ve been here for prolly a year-ish now and love how there is still shit to learn.

Insert family guy meme when he walks out of the stem cell clinic, “why aren’t we funding this?!?!”

As I said in my higher comment, I’d pay for this type of elevated privlege option to see what is being moderated.

I agree. I wish there was a way that moderating existed but you could have the option to see what is being moderated. Fuck I’d even pay premium for that type of elevated privilege option.

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I’m picking up qhat you’re putting down about shitty companies but the problem with your guess is that almost 100% of the shitty companies using shitty marketing techniques you encounter in the average week are all outsourced to marketing firms like the three petitioning the lawsuit.

No intention of this being “HAHA YOU WERE WRONG!” Just wanted to let you know there weren’t only 3 petitioning companies named in the court document. Unless they list more further into the document than fuckin page 60 cuz that’s where I threw in the towel lol.

So read my other comment and cited quote pulled right from the fuckin court documents and reported on by MSN. Fuckint hell. It’s in every fucking article I’ve searched. The suing company isn’t going off anything but fucking assumptions.

Contracted =/= Court approved documentation

Ever heard of a verbal contract? It’s a legally binding agreement unless everyone from the contracted party was fired and you don’t have any fucking proof of the conversations with people no longer employed by the company you are suing.

So for the third time THE COMPANY SUING DOESNT HAVE THE PROPER DOCUMENTATION SHOWING THERE WAS A PURCHASING AGREEMENT. THATS WHY THEYRE SUING AND NOT GOING FOR A SUMMARY JUDGMENT

Like what the fuck are you even arguing for or against? That this company is going thru this expensive and lengthy court process to get judgment for the money they are owed for shits and giggles?

Here is another article that says they assumed Twitter accepted liability:

The complaint also says that Wiwynn, which makes servers and storage systems for data centers and cloud providers, had amassed $120 million worth of parts to fulfill Twitter’s existing orders, under the assumption that Twitter had taken liability for them.

If you’ve been in IT since '98 you ought to know this isn’t a social media site lol. It’s a social forum for communities of users with like minded interests. Most daily social media users get weeded by any UI that isn’t 1-3 giant app buttons to sign you into everything on every device you ever did and will own.

Lol plus not many people here are absolute fucking psychos like you with your Lemmy profile pic hahaha fuck you are a madman lol.

Which is the whole point. If they had 1 email, 1 PO, 1 documented proof of agreement, this would never be a fuckin court case. What is more likely, that X is risking liability for the $20M + legal costs in court trying to renege $20M down to $18M? All this suing company has to do, as I stated above, is show one acknowledgment and confirmation between the two parties and its an open and close case.

There was a judge (I’m going off memory from hearing it on the radio a year or so ago) in Canada who held a farmer liable for responding to a text with a thumbs up to a contractor asking if he got the contract he sent the farmer. Farmer went into court with the defense he was acknowledging that he received the text but it wasn’t enough to convince beyond reasonable doubt there wasn’t an understanding between the two.

If Twitter and Elon were trying to weasel out of paying this company, THEY WOULD BE SUING THEM for some made up breech of contract BS like they’re doing to advertisers.

Hahaha yeah otherwise they wouldn’t be trying to sue to recoup losses. It happens all the time in sales. I can’t even tell you the amount of times I have told new sales reps, I will not place anticipatory PO’s without payment confirmation or full compliance with not just the purchase order’s parameters for payment on large orders but also an email or otherwise documented acknowledgment of our sales order confirmation. Especially in any case where:

1. The sales rep has a PO from customer but no payment confirmation/information OR

2. If it’s an order over, let’s say $10,000 OR

3. If it’s the first time customer is purchasing from us and they want to make a blanket order OR

4. If they’re an international customer placing ANY orders over $500, or have seperate countries for billing and shipping address, or they’re shipping to a country on our “fuck shipping to these countries” list

All those scenarios happen and happen often. Theyre not 100% of nepharious lost revenue cases but I’d say they make up 80-90% of the shit companies have sitting on a warehouse top shelf. Only getting moved to make room for other stuff.

Any business doing fabrications or custom fuckin anything, also will 100% of the time have a signed drawing or print, payment in full before it’s released to production floor, usually a +/- 5% runoff or shorting stipulation for any qty over 1,000-3,000 custom anything, and constant communication through out the entire process.

For this exact very real very common shit storm.

So and so’s cnc machine broke down we can only make 1,000 of the 10,000 you ordered.

It was a government contract to redo the electrical work at Governor Cuomo’s house, how should I know he was going to be removed from office?

Everything this lawsuit outlines, fuckkn screams new business, 1st large contract. All the need is one email, one purchase order, fuck even just a sales order from Twitter and they wouldn’t ever make it close to a court house before the Twitter boardmembers looked at the liability, the legal costs and the very slim liklihood they would come out better than if they paid the $20 million. And anyone who argues that $20 Million is enough to try and skip out on and risk letting it go to court has no fucking idea to the quantifiable difference between $20 million and $8-$20 Billion (what im guessing Twitter is still worth assuming it was about $40B when Elon bought and estimates have it between 50% and 80% the value when it sold. Even at the middle $14B, $20M is only 0.14285714% of $14B. No that’s not a mistake the decimal is where it should be lol. Check it by multiplying $14B*0.0014285714

Soooo noone here even read the article? Just see Elon and start shitting everywhere? The company suing X was dealing with Twitter before Elon. There was no purchasing contract in place when the suing company placed the $20 million dollar order they are claiming is all custom made and cant be recouped, “the social media platform had not made any firm purchase order when the server dealer went ahead with its purchases and deliveries.”

How about we read an article before we start spewing shit everywhere?

No you fuckin didn’t hahaha stop lying. You didn’t vote the parent comment, its you first time in the thread and your only comment in the thread. For your comment to be true you would have to of come back on your own accord to check up on a comment you upvoted? Don’t be a fuckin douche, if you have a point to make with a comment, make the comment, don’t be a dramatic bitch making up bullshit 🤣

Yeah cuz that works sp much better than offering incentives to lower emissions.

Right?! That is all it takes to save your privacy is just not having social media but noone is willing to do that.

I’m thinking op isn’t the brightest tool on the short bus. Walmart has a far better market place/e-commerce platform than shitass Amazon. Same delivery windows of 1-3 says. Can order groceries that aren’t fuckin wierd marketplace seller with a garage packed with dented pallets of Nutella, wild rice and 5hr energy drinks lol. The groceries actually come from the store or the next nearest one. They basically already had the warehouse infrastructure. The dumped billions with a fuckin B last year just on developing and expanding on drone deliveries. Plus when your order gets fucked up from Walmart… YOU TALK TO A FUCKIN PERSON WHO ISNT HALF WAY ACCROSS THE PLANET WITH 3 PRELOADED REPLIES TO FIX EVERY PROBLEM. Fuuuuuuuuuck Amazon customer service. But also unless op was looking for the holy grail of printers I will bet my annual salary that Walmart’s online store had the exact printer they were looking for or one that is an exact copy but another brand. So dramatic to write this whole post up for such a dumb reason lol.

Edit: Also no person or brand selling on Amazon is exclusively selling on Amazon. If the printer wasn’t available anywhere it’s prolly a discontinued model or a fuck up by the mfg. Such a dumb post.

Maybe extreme weather conditions for trail cams? That’s the only reason I would think about using one but never actually buy one for lol.