I will be honest, i am fully against tiktok and everything it stands for.
It should burn in hell.
…However, the law the us passed to ban tiktok makes no sense whatsoever. At its core its as bad as china’s grasp on a lot of markets. I believe a more correct way is to ban the practices tik tok does and ban it from federal devices. However, such a law needs more effort and would also get us-based companies in trouble.
But even then, its a way better solution to the problem
At its core its as bad as china’s grasp on a lot of markets.
The government should be allowed to regulate markets as much as necessary to protect citizens from the dangers of capitalism. Laissez-Faire doesn’t work.
I agree fully, but pushing for a law that basically says “apps from a list of 6 countries are not allowed here unless moved to the us” is a bullshit thing and forces them to give the us more power and control over the data. Hence my comparison.
I believe they should put laws in order a la gdpr to protect users from the data stuff. You know, the actual issue of tiktok.
I agree, but part of the issue is also that this app is operating in bad faith with local laws, so trying to regulate their behaviour is an uphill battle. They just ignore fines or find ways of hiding their bad behaviour better. Obviously they aren’t the only ones that do so, but I’m not going to complain about one shitty company getting what’s coming to them.
Hm, youre right. It is an uphill battle, and its a battle the eu has been trying to fight with big us tech for a few years now. They too should be punished and limited, just like tik tok. There has to be a way to punish them all, without forcing tik tok to become part of the big us tech family that the us can leach off. Its causing a shit ton of issues and problems that this does not solve imo.
Also, they cant ignore fines if you do it right, but the us will never do it right hehe :p
So, lets just kill off data hoarding and data sharing between platforms. Kill all shit like tiktok, meta, twitter, … In one fell swoop.
I’d love to see it, but as I said, I don’t like letting perfect be the enemy of good. Banning Tiktok is a good thing IMO. I’m not going to complain that it shouldn’t be done just because there is more work to do.
Oh, my idea isnt perfect. Not even close haha
It would cause platforms to become subscription based or be backed by large companies for their own profit ( see linux, github, and every open source, non profit organisation backed and/or managed by bigger companies ). No person on the internet would agree with that and its a hard bullet to bite.
Its just that from a eu citizen standpoint, this ban solves nothing for them. Its like giving the keys to everything for some bad guy to some other bad guy that both want to be above you.
And american citizens also dont benefit jack shit from this. If not, makes it worse for them as the tiktok data can now be used to make their lives worse, easier.
I will say that i agree something is better than nothing and something had to be done, dont get me wrong. I just think it was a half ass, political war bullshit choice they made with the resources they had that solves nothing besides “oh no, china be harvesting more data than us. Quick! Respond!”.
Meanwhile some eu countries took on a grander scale and banned tik tok apps on government devices, which does a better job than this imho ( source : https://edition.cnn.com/2023/02/28/tech/tiktok-eu-ban-intl-hnk/index.html ) AND they did it last year :p
There were also ideas pitched around to extend this to all social media apps, but i assume that was shut down due to obvious reasons.
TBH if they’re arguing against the forced sale then they still don’t have any defence against the new laws that shipped alongside it making it illegal to collect and send data to adversarial nations, so that would effectively accomplish what you’re asking for.
But also, this is very clear as day a Chinese Military Operation, so fuck em and fuck their rights in particular.
Whether they win or lose their lawsuit I see it as a win for the US Citizens.
I will be honest, i am fully against tiktok and everything it stands for. It should burn in hell.
…However, the law the us passed to ban tiktok makes no sense whatsoever. At its core its as bad as china’s grasp on a lot of markets. I believe a more correct way is to ban the practices tik tok does and ban it from federal devices. However, such a law needs more effort and would also get us-based companies in trouble.
But even then, its a way better solution to the problem
But then they have to ban their own data mining spyware social media platforms.
… You didnt read my whole comment did you :p
I said the same thing, but more neutral and political :')
Yeah, but I cut it down to a bite sized shitty joke lol.
The government should be allowed to regulate markets as much as necessary to protect citizens from the dangers of capitalism. Laissez-Faire doesn’t work.
I agree fully, but pushing for a law that basically says “apps from a list of 6 countries are not allowed here unless moved to the us” is a bullshit thing and forces them to give the us more power and control over the data. Hence my comparison.
I believe they should put laws in order a la gdpr to protect users from the data stuff. You know, the actual issue of tiktok.
I agree, but part of the issue is also that this app is operating in bad faith with local laws, so trying to regulate their behaviour is an uphill battle. They just ignore fines or find ways of hiding their bad behaviour better. Obviously they aren’t the only ones that do so, but I’m not going to complain about one shitty company getting what’s coming to them.
Hm, youre right. It is an uphill battle, and its a battle the eu has been trying to fight with big us tech for a few years now. They too should be punished and limited, just like tik tok. There has to be a way to punish them all, without forcing tik tok to become part of the big us tech family that the us can leach off. Its causing a shit ton of issues and problems that this does not solve imo.
Also, they cant ignore fines if you do it right, but the us will never do it right hehe :p
So, lets just kill off data hoarding and data sharing between platforms. Kill all shit like tiktok, meta, twitter, … In one fell swoop.
I’d love to see it, but as I said, I don’t like letting perfect be the enemy of good. Banning Tiktok is a good thing IMO. I’m not going to complain that it shouldn’t be done just because there is more work to do.
Oh, my idea isnt perfect. Not even close haha
It would cause platforms to become subscription based or be backed by large companies for their own profit ( see linux, github, and every open source, non profit organisation backed and/or managed by bigger companies ). No person on the internet would agree with that and its a hard bullet to bite.
Its just that from a eu citizen standpoint, this ban solves nothing for them. Its like giving the keys to everything for some bad guy to some other bad guy that both want to be above you.
And american citizens also dont benefit jack shit from this. If not, makes it worse for them as the tiktok data can now be used to make their lives worse, easier.
I will say that i agree something is better than nothing and something had to be done, dont get me wrong. I just think it was a half ass, political war bullshit choice they made with the resources they had that solves nothing besides “oh no, china be harvesting more data than us. Quick! Respond!”.
Meanwhile some eu countries took on a grander scale and banned tik tok apps on government devices, which does a better job than this imho ( source : https://edition.cnn.com/2023/02/28/tech/tiktok-eu-ban-intl-hnk/index.html ) AND they did it last year :p
There were also ideas pitched around to extend this to all social media apps, but i assume that was shut down due to obvious reasons.
TBH if they’re arguing against the forced sale then they still don’t have any defence against the new laws that shipped alongside it making it illegal to collect and send data to adversarial nations, so that would effectively accomplish what you’re asking for.
But also, this is very clear as day a Chinese Military Operation, so fuck em and fuck their rights in particular.
Whether they win or lose their lawsuit I see it as a win for the US Citizens.