https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsMfNKcd298
"I actually prefer Windows over Linux as a foundational system—I just don’t like the Microsoft BS put on top of it. I think Windows is simply an easier and more straightforward system.
Trying to get non-tech-savvy users to go through a long, complex install process? Come on. A lot of people on the internet forget that when most users get home, they just want to pay some bills, watch some YouTube, play a game, or do something simple and then get off the computer. They don’t want to sit there dealing with a bunch of complex setup steps."
Amazing every word of what you just said was wrong
How old is this? I do all of that on my phone …
I think Windows is simply an easier and more straightforward system.
For example, list the processes on a windows system. Nobody has the faintest idea what half of them are. Do the same on Linux and there’s maybe 10 you’ll have to look up. Windows is a mess of interconnected and piled upon crud. Unix may not be perfect but at least it makes sense.
Especially the part where it is claimed that users want to go home and pay bills. I have never once actually wanted to pay a bill.
Install windows 11, installer takes 11 hours, run windows update for another 11 hours, restart, install drivers one by one from various websites for an hour, run windows update, restart, uninstall bloatware, restart, disable telemetry in 100s of menus, run windows update, restart, disable telemetry again after windows update re-enabled them, go to various websites to download your preferred applications, install them one by one, restart.
Vs
Install Linux Mint, installer takes 20 minutes, all drivers already there, no bloatware, open software manager, install all your applications from there, they can all be queued, no need to restart, done.
11h+? That’s the small part.
Every day you have to fight reboots, forced updates, installs and other crap. So multiply that with 365 per year.
I used to do that but windows 10 ltsc. Now i just restored from system image. I do a fresh install, install all the drivers, tweak anything that needed tweaking. Then, i made a full image backup. Once in blue moon if my windows is bork. I restored the system image.
Im running fedora atm but its not all sunshine, sometimes when installing from software centre. It just hang at installing software. Bar not moving and i had to kill it manually and retry again.
So he votes for Linux, where 90% of mainstream distros installers are literally
- Choose disk
- How much software? (Optional)
- Username
- Password
Hey now! You gotta at least set your timezone and keyboard layout, too.
Which for me is just pressing enter.
I remember the old joke when Ubuntu was the hot new thing: If you put grain around the enter key, a chicken can install it.
Nowadays it’s true for every graphical installer. Hell, even NixOS can be installed by pressing enter (though good luck doing anything else after boot if you’re a basic user).
Where we run in to issues like is: user has gnome installed and wants to turn on file sharing, goes to the menu and serches for it, flips webdav on. Then they can’t figure out that you need to install some packages for it to work, they get frustrated and gives up. Then they decide they need to connect their bluetooth headphones. They flip the bluetooth button. The button just springs back off. They have no idea they need to enable a background service for it to function. These are the type of issues the normal user gets mad at. Things they expect to work, but requires their tech support friend to help them.
Or… Hear me out… Might be controversial opinion but just try.
Don’t fucking install arch based distros. Just install Mint or Fedora plasma and be done.
Zero fucking setup after install. The fedora workstation has so much pre installed and configured I cannot explain. Only gripe with fedora is the media codec bullshit because obviously AMERICAN CAPTALISM.
As someone who runs an arch based disto, I agree. Arch (or endeavour is my case) is wonderful, but it certainly isn’t for everyone.
I run arch. I use vanilla arch (btw) it’s the best. But that’s because I am ready to put in the time. Not because it is inherently better.
Eh… What? That nevet happened to me. With every new laptop I just turn on Bluetooth, connect my mouse and am done with it.
Did the users you mention accidentally compile Gentoo or something?
I get more frustrated when something works then suddenly doesn’t
These are facts you will not like.
- for a number of years I worked with a group producing and maintaining the AT&T Unix primary distribution.
- the people in the organization worked on the Unix kernel, deeply cloistered and talented.
- these people, one of them easily the smartest I’ve ever known, unilaterally used windows.
Let’s look at that, though, as we move from fact to memories and opinions. What I recall is the standard dev kit at the time was VanDyk SSH. That’s all they needed, but they used Mozilla as their mail and web client. They also needed a music player because of course – even if that was extra.
Windows provided all of those, and WinAMP, and it did two things reliably that Unix at the time didn’t: it booted well and it ran music smoothly. It provided a voice-chat client and ran that smoothly as well. The various chat apps of the time, which were probably three but felt like a dozen, also ran well.
In short, the crappy windows default platform didn’t ask for tweaking and gave the user an SSH client on demand. When highly-paid people don’t need to futz with modelines, the company doesn’t lose money it didn’t need to.
I tell you that to tell you this. Linux has grown up from the modeline days, but no distro is free of bizarre junk shoved in by some wunderkinder with more power than reviewers and pushed by a vendor hoping to create the next big thing – without stopping to ask whether it should, whether it’s useful for us. Machines boot a little more slowly and a little less reliably, and there is a non-zero risk that a very valuable dev’s machine will NOT be available when required. Windows has jammed their own shit into the OS - just privacy risk after ad spooge, on and on - but the thing it does well (when it’s not patching) is boot well and allow us to start Putty and WinAMP and Seamonkey.
And I’m not sure whether a reliable start into something with a bunch of ad spooge is better or not.
I SHOULD MENTION that I’m moving my geriatric mom, and others, to linux later this year. She’s ready, even if I don’t relish supporting her from 9 hours’ travel away.
And I love how the gif included was correct and almost perfect English, but every time it’s quoted there’s a different writing error.
You should’ve seen some of the Windows machines I had. Like 25% of them ran horribly and Linux was actually the perfect solution to a laptop I’d otherwise replace with a different model.
Not that Linux is perfect or anything, I have as much issues with it as with Windows. But that’s kinda my point, both suck, might as well use the one that doesn’t spy on me.
I get what you are saying but at the same time I have a MSI laptop that I bought in 2020. It has a nvidia video card.
Bloody thing was always a pain in the arse. I couldn’t plug the HDMI to the TV and get it working straight away.
Everytime I wanted to play on my TV I had to plug the HDMI, go to the device management, uninstall intel video drivers, same with the nvidia drivers then reinstall first the nvidia driver then the intel one.
And that only worked until I turned the PC or it went into hibernation.
Now that it’s running on Win11, no amount of driver reinstall can get it to work. It’s laptop screen or bust.
With Linux I just plug the HDMI in and it works. The only limitation is that I can’t get it to work with 4K60, as it should. It only works with 1080p30.
But I guess I can’t always win…
“And I love how the gif included was correct and almost perfect English, but every time it’s quoted there’s a different writing error.” XD
Installing apps on Windows is insane though.
Either it’s a custom installer with a dozen pointless steps, or it’s in the Microsoft Store which doesn’t even fucking work without PowerShell workarounds half the time.
Any decent Linux distro is going to be much simpler for simple use cases. Particularly the ones that lean into Flatpak.
Just to clarify, I am laughing at what the person said at the start of the video about Linux. Not agreeing with them.
