I just moved into a student dorm for a semester abroad, and beforehand I emailed them asking whether they had ethernet ports to plug my router into (I use it to connect all my devices, and for WiVRn VR streaming). They confirmed that I could, but now that I’m here the wifi login portal is asking me to accept these terms from the ISP, which forbid plugging in a router. There’s another clause that forbids “Disruptive Devices” entirely, defined as:

“Disruptive Device” means any device that prevents or interferes with our provision of the 4Wireless to other customers (such as a wireless access point such as wireless routers) or any other device used by you in breach of the Acceptable Use Policy;

So what are my options? I don’t think I can use this service without accepting the terms, but also I was told by the student dorm support that I could bring a router, which contradicts this.

EDIT: some additional context:

  • dorm provider is a company separate from my uni (they have an agreement but that’s it)
  • ISP (ask4) is totally separate from dorm provider, and have installed a mesh network that requires an account. On account creation, there are many upsells including one for connecting more than one device. The “free” plan only allows me to sign in on a single device, and I can upgrade to two devices for 15 pounds.
  • ethernet requires login too
  • VR streaming requires a high performance wifi 6 network, which is why I bought this router (Archer C6 from tp-link)
  • subtext@lemmy.worldEnglish
    175·
    3 months ago

    This is honestly quite reasonable from the university. They will be putting in a lot of work to get something set up that’s strong enough for all the students, and messing that up is kind of a dick move.

    • jet@hackertalks.comEnglish
      74·
      3 months ago

      I’m with you, but how is using your own router messing that up?

      On the WAN side, its just a dhcp client, just like any other laptop/xbox etc

      It’s not reasonable for a ISP to dictate what CPE can be used on the network, as long as the CPE does not break the network, and routers are fairly well behaved clients by design.

      Just from a data hygiene and security perspective, you don’t want to put your own computer directly into a bigger network, safter to be behind your own router.

      • SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.worldEnglish
        111·
        3 months ago

        Rf interference. Similar to having multiple microwaves running near your router, or those old rf based baby monitors.

        Congested the 2.4 or 5gz spectrum with noise causing noise and retransmits or outright stopping the wifi from working.

        If you have an old radio that does AM find a AM channel that isn’t broadcasting and bring it near your router. You can actually “hear” the noise those things are putting out.

        • jet@hackertalks.comEnglish
          73·
          3 months ago

          Happily the 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz bands are unlicensed and open for public use.

          Nothing our OP said indicated they wanted to run WiFi, but even if they did, they could choose a less noisy channel.

          Nothing in the click through agreement talked about radios, or bands.

          Any body could turn their phone into a cellular hotspot, or have a starlink hotspot, and that is nobody elses business. This is no different.

          Letting the network dictate what you can run in your own home is MaBell levels of authoritarianism, but more to the point, its unenforceable ( You can always take a page out of how to hotspot book - Router runs a always on vpn and the lan side only goes out over the VPN, so DPI just seeds the router, and the TTL is as expected)

          • SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.worldEnglish
            9·
            3 months ago

            But this is a dorm. A shared environment with close proximity.

            If everyone had their own Wi-Fi transmitting at normal power there would be too much interference that even channel hopping wouldn’t fix it.

            Not to say that there can’t be some middle ground but the Wild West attitude isn’t kosher either.

            • cm0002@lemmy.worldEnglish
              81·
              3 months ago

              OP already mentioned that the student WiFi is being run entirely by a third party ISP and they have more expensive paid plans for more than one device.

              Guaranteed this isn’t about running an optimal network (Though I’m sure if pressed about it they’ll start spouting excuses similar to yours) and all about company greed and constant profit growth.

              • SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.worldEnglish
                4·
                3 months ago

                Probably. But I didn’t want them dealing with being cut off. They can do what they want but since it’s a dorm you can be sure they’ve had these conversations before

            • mat@linux.communityOPEnglish
              6·
              3 months ago

              Yeah I definitely don’t want to hurt the network for other folks staying at this (very large) dorm complex/building. Can I reasonably run it at low power (since I only need it in my room) and not have it bother anyone?

              • jet@hackertalks.comEnglish
                3·
                3 months ago

                Do a frequency scan, choose a 5ghz band, narrowest band you can, that isn’t being used, (don’t use 2.4ghz, 5ghz attenuates the fastest). If your router supports DFS, use a DFS channel

              • cm0002@lemmy.worldEnglish
                3·
                3 months ago

                Can I reasonably run it at low power (since I only need it in my room) and not have it bother anyone?

                Yes, this is one of those things that as long as you do it properly and don’t interfere with anything nothing will happen

                Reduce power to minimal levels, choose a band far away from the WiFi in your area (There are a number of WiFi scanning apps on the app stores) and ensure you plug in the Ethernet from the wall into the WAN port on the router so your router can handle DHCP without interfering with University DHCP networking (though it might make getting through the captive portal tricky)

              • SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.worldEnglish
                2·
                3 months ago

                Depends on whether you can adjust the Tx level but then you run into FCC level stuff that most people avoid (since boosting it is a huge issue with interference)

            • jet@hackertalks.comEnglish
              5·
              3 months ago

              ok… so our friendly OP can use their router without turning on the radios and everyone is happy? let’s advise that then

      • dynamic_generals@lemmy.worldEnglish
        5·
        3 months ago

        Lending some anecdotal support, the wireless network of the large flagship I went to (in the time spanning the late oughts to the early 10s) operated well enough for the the time while allowing students to plug their own wireless routers into the single Ethernet port they otherwise us to split. And this was back in 802.11g days; before all the channels of 5ghz.

        Students had a DC++ service running on the campus MAN, fed it by downloading Linux isos over the onion network… it wasn’t just us nerds doing it either- nearly everyone had a Wi-Fi router.

        As time marches on, more rules are made, none are repealed, and student freedom and innovation is stifled. Then those growing up in relative freedom grow grumpy as they watch things enshittify for the people who won’t have known an alternative. I usually apply this thought to privacy philosophy but I see it fits here too.