You’re telling me motive makes a bad thing okay to do under deontology? In other words, it’s okay for a deontologist to murder someone if they have a cool motive?
I dunno I thought Kant said you should never do bad things even if you have a good reason.
Imo, Kant’s principles don’t really apply in this scenario, the Categorical Imperative applies to human-to-human treatment. Kant’s primary principle is act as such it would become universal law. Animal consumption is already a universal law.
Murder (of a human) is wrong because when applied universally, then society collapses. Theft is wrong because when applied universally, the right of property, and therefore society, collapses.
Animal consumption doesn’t cause societal collapse.
Animal consumption causes factory farming, and farming causes chickens to develop stress-induced autophagia. I don’t like it when the chickens are so unhappy they eat themselves and need to be debeaked. We should all stop doing things that cause that.
So you’re saying if I paid an assassin a million dollars to take your life, I wouldn’t have any blame for your murder, because the assassin has free will?
that’s not what happens in the meat industry. the animal is already dead, and everyone involved is already paid long before I walk into a grocery store. it’s not a conspiracy.
Do you think if everyone in the world stopped buying meat, that the slaughterhouses would keep killing cows? I’m going to assume you don’t think that, and I’m going to assume you believe the slaughterhouses kill cows because people buy them.
So let me know if you DON’T think that your and others’ purchasing of meat causes animal agriculture. Because I think you agree that your actions and others’ actions cause it.
You’re telling me motive makes a bad thing okay to do under deontology? In other words, it’s okay for a deontologist to murder someone if they have a cool motive?
I dunno I thought Kant said you should never do bad things even if you have a good reason.
Imo, Kant’s principles don’t really apply in this scenario, the Categorical Imperative applies to human-to-human treatment. Kant’s primary principle is act as such it would become universal law. Animal consumption is already a universal law.
Murder (of a human) is wrong because when applied universally, then society collapses. Theft is wrong because when applied universally, the right of property, and therefore society, collapses.
Animal consumption doesn’t cause societal collapse.
Thoughts?
Animal consumption causes factory farming, and farming causes chickens to develop stress-induced autophagia. I don’t like it when the chickens are so unhappy they eat themselves and need to be debeaked. We should all stop doing things that cause that.
no, it doesn’t
Well I guess that’s true if you shoplift. Shoplifting is fine. Just don’t give money to factory farmers or their distribution networks.
unless farmers don’t have free will, the only thing that can be said to cause them to farm is their own choice.
So you’re saying if I paid an assassin a million dollars to take your life, I wouldn’t have any blame for your murder, because the assassin has free will?
that’s not what happens in the meat industry. the animal is already dead, and everyone involved is already paid long before I walk into a grocery store. it’s not a conspiracy.
Do you think if everyone in the world stopped buying meat, that the slaughterhouses would keep killing cows? I’m going to assume you don’t think that, and I’m going to assume you believe the slaughterhouses kill cows because people buy them.
So let me know if you DON’T think that your and others’ purchasing of meat causes animal agriculture. Because I think you agree that your actions and others’ actions cause it.