Shell Is Immediately Closing All Of Its California Hydrogen Stations | The oil giant is one of the big players in hydrogen globally, but even it can’t make its operations work here.::The oil giant is one of the big players in hydrogen globally, but even it can’t make its operations work here. All seven of its California stations will close immediately.

  • june@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    As two major manufacturers double down on developing hydrogen cell cars.

    The complaints about electric infrastructure not being ready for widespread adoption but people championing hydrogen cell just boggles my mind.

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      9 months ago

      What part of that confuses you? Hydrogen is better for cars VS batteries in every meaningful way in 2024. Long range, quick fill ups, zero harmful emissions, don’t need to live in SFH or rely on landlord/HOA to grant you the privilege of charging your car.

      Hydrogen cell cars are electric cars that don’t rely on severely underdeveloped technology of batteries we have today.

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        9 months ago

        Wait what? How in the fuck could an HOA prevent you from charging your car or installing a charger inside your space? The charger lives inside your garage, so it doesn’t effect curbside appearance and isn’t within what they can control.

        At absolute worst, if you have no garage and street parking, wouldn’t you just be running the cord over to your vehicle? Non-commercial charging stations aren’t normally weather proof, so that wouldn’t be outside, and again, none of their business. If they have an issue with an extension cord running across your lawn, or a cable slightly larger than a hose, then they’d have to make sane rules about how long it can be left out, like not just leaving it plugged in for a whole weekend straight. Otherwise they’re making it against the rules for people to use corded yard equipment or use a hose.

        I might be missing something here, but I don’t see any way an HOA could do anything against it.

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          9 months ago

          No offense, but your response means you’re either the luckiest person in the world and live in a utopian HOA or much more realistically have zero experience with the stupid fucking cancer that is currently infesting more and more properties.

          It took me years of paying lawyers and dealing with some of the stupidest and most stubborn people on the planet to try to install a charger near my spot in a shared garage. At my expense and with all requirements met, it was still easier to move than convince those fucking assholes that we’re in 2020 and cars use electricity.

          No HOA on this planet will let you just run a cord even if you don’t consider that this would likely restrict you to level one charging and expose you to power theft.

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    9 months ago

    Hydrogen will have an important role to play in the future of green energy simply because it’s a portable high density fuel, that doesn’t require a battery to work.

    The trade-off is that hydrogen takes more energy to create, then you get back. That doesn’t make a lot of sense when you’re using fossil fuels, but it would in a future with significant amounts of excess green energy e.g. wind, solar, fusion, etc.

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      9 months ago

      I’m not sure if you’re aware of this, but hydrogen fuel cell vehicles do have batteries. You can’t put energy captured from regen braking back into the fuel cell, so either you have a battery or you lose a third of your range.

      Fuel cell EVs can’t be fitted with charging plugs for religious reasons.

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        9 months ago

        Fuel cell EVs can’t be fitted with charging plugs for religious reasons

        I really need to hear that story.