• neidu3@sh.itjust.works
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      Agreed. I am in the process of creating a lemmy instance (mostly for testing), with the core tenets being free speech and freedom of information. I just need to find a way of rewording it so that people don’t think it means endorsement of assholery.

      I think invite-only and “Don’t make me ban you!” as the only rule could work.

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        Some inspiration for what to include/how to phrase the rules:

        • “Be nice to each other”
        • “You are allowed to share your opinion. Others are not required to like it”
        • “Accept that others might have different opinions from yours, just as you would want them to accept that your opinions are different from theirs”
        • “Moderation is based on how you say things, not what you say”
        • “Free speech has legal limits in most jurisdictions. The instance owner may be forced to remove illegal content even if they agree with you.” (for example, saying that all billionaires should be killed may or may not be a valid opinion but it may be considered incitement and depending on where you live, instance admins can get in trouble for not deleting it)
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          These are good! On my instance, my sidebar says “You can stay as long as you’re not being a jerk.”

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          Your comments in this thread sound a lot like you not wanting us to say anything you dislike. I respect your opinions and I would fight for you being allowed to share them. I just think they’re wrong and disingenuous.

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            I’m just rephrasing it to frame it as a command. That’s basically what a rule is. A command. A rule has imperativeness.

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              And at the same time, you rephrase it to imply something that was nowhere in the original sentence.

              “Don’t make me ban you” doesn’t necessarily mean “Don’t say anything I don’t like” but maybe just “Don’t post anything illegal” or “Don’t make the experience worse for everyone else”. I fully agree that the original phrasing is too vague which is why I’ve provided a whole list of more specific suggestions.

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      If you intend to wax pedantic then at least give us your definition. This secondhand linked pedantry crosses the line.

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        Free speech means that you can not be punished by law for your opinions. It explicitly does not mean that others are required to listen to you or even like your opinions. Just as you are allowed to hold a controversial opinion, they are allowed to disagree with you, argue with you, walk away or show you the door if you’re in their house/community/instance.

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          That’s one legal implementation of the idea.

          The actual idea goes something like : speech that flows freely without inhibition.

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            If you’re allowed to say everything, then as a logical consequence I’m also allowed to say everything. Including “You are wrong, you are rude, I don’t like you and I never want to talk to you again. Please leave.”

            Note, this is just an example. I don’t really want you to leave. Yet.

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                As an abstract concept and a logical conclusion, I would say it’s neither good or bad.

                What is bad is when people interpret free speech as being allowed to hurt others without consequences. And in my personal opinion, most people who criticize a lack of free speech fall directly into that category.