I (23M, American) feel completely paralyzed from a career perspective because I have no idea what the hell to do. If I choose the wrong degree program, I have to pay back all the debt with nothing to show for it. Even if I get a job, there’s no telling how long that will last. Everything keeps changing so fucking fast and it seems like any field I could go to college for could cease to be viable by the time I finish. On top of that, I have chronic health conditions to worry about that limit what I can even do.

(Edit: Basically I have POTS and a neck injury, so it’s hard to do physical labor and I suffer from dizziness, brain fog, and fatigue from being up for an hour or so. I don’t know my exact limits yet, since the severity of my condition varies by day and there appear to be ways to partially recover from the fatigue without having to lay down.)

I think stuff like urban planning and designing walkable environments would be cool, but I’m not sure if that’s a viable path in 2027 and beyond. I also used to be interested in programming, but ever since AI and mass layoffs hit the scene, I’ve become disillusioned and stopped pursuing that path.

I used to feel like the world was stable and I could pick a career based on my passion and be fine. But ever since 2020, everything has felt increasingly more uncertain. The world seems to be losing its collective shit and that doesn’t appear to be changing anytime soon.

Is staking your sense of stability on your career the wrong way to think about this? Should I be trying to find close friends or some kind of supportive community that could act as a safety net? Or is everyone too hyperindividualist to look out for each other?

  • Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca
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    I know my parents didn’t think the world was stable when the Korean war and then Vietnam were going on plus Cold War, acid rain, ozone depletion and women had very few rights. Blacks couldn’t vote in the USA so that caused spillover problems in Canada. When I was your age it was a recession, gas had been horrendously expensive, interest rates were high teens or 20s, recent university grads were going on to second degrees because there was no work to be had - although post secondary debt wasn’t as high as now because you literally couldn’t borrow that much money unless your parents were rich and could afford to pay it.
    What I’m saying is that very rarely does anyone in your age group feel like the world is going their way. Figure what you able to do, a combination of your talents and your likes, and figure out the cheapest way to learn how to do it if it means post secondary education or trades or your own time. Most people cannot find something they LOVE to do that will also pay the bills. Or even if you do love it, making it pay the bills is a good way to eventually hate it. In regards to bills, what life do you, not your parents/friends, want to live? Your needs might be less or more than anothers. One person can have a great life on $50K and another “needs” $200K. Where do you need to live? Many people get stuck on staying where they grew up but if you look to previous generations, many had to move to get to where their job and their life aligned. There are probably many, many jobs that you have never heard of and therefore haven’t considered. Career counselling can help.

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    1. Be quick to adapt and learn. Whatever field you enter is going to look completely different in 30 years (if it even remains), so if you can adapt quickly and learn whatever skills are newly relevant, you’ll be in a decent place. In most employers there’s a large barrier to hiring someone new, so if your field is becoming irrelevant / automated / transformed, but you’re able to start doing some of the new work that your employer needs doing, then your role will grow to encompass that work and you’ll remain relevant and valuable to your employer. By adapting and picking these tasks up, you essentially can rotate out of irrelevant skills into relevant ones while keeping your job and seniority.
    2. I’m not sure how AI affects this, but going with the “adapt and learn” of the previous point, focus more on having a lot of general skills rather than getting really investing in a few specific ones. Most jobs aren’t going to be pure <field>. In my career so far (I’m about a decade older than you for what it’s worth), I’ve differentiated myself from other statisticians & data scientists by also being strong at software development. My classmates from where I did my master’s are better statisticians than me, but they’re limited in what they can do because while they can develop a great model, they struggle to get it running well in a production environment. That limits their employability. I, on the other hand, had no problem with that and was able to have great success at my previous employer. I was then able to leverage that particular experience / skill combination to get my current job, where my employer was explicitly seeking only people with this combination of skills (and struggles quite a bit to find them!)
      • I would suggest focusing on developing skills that are complementary to whatever field you enter.
    3. It’s hard to say what AI will look several years from now given how fast it’s changing, but so far I’ve noticed that its outputs can be either okay or very awful, and only someone who understands the field of that output can tell which of those outcomes it is. That’s why experienced programmers who use AI for coding are able to get some value (they filter out the awful output), while people who don’t understand coding ship slop. Ditto for other fields. Going with the “be okay at lots of skills” of my previous point, I suspect that this would help you get more out of AI than most people as you could more effectively filter out bad AI output in a variety of areas, which could give you a leg up.

    Tl;DR always be learning new skills; focus on quantity over quality.

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    Look to labor statistics to see general trends, but also know there are outliers for every stat. Old intuitions say work closer to where the money comes (issuance) from for stability; banks, governments, financial sector, etc. Next best is selling to people/organizations who have money when others don’t. If you’re in a country without reasonable, universal healthcare working for the healthcare industry can afford cheaper coverage or better adherence to equality requirements if you or a dependent are prone to frequent illness. Use whatever talents and interests you can, but most people keep their passions for hobbies and choose a career based on capabilities, opportunity, and what kinds of stress they can manage.

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    If you find the right workplace all of those “bad industry” stuff may just pass around you without affecting you or your company.

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    Not sure this is comforting, but I e always gotten by by going where the demand is. I didn’t know anything about the industry my first job was in, but the company was hiring like crazy so I applied. Stayed there for a few years, applied to whatever I could find to get out of there and sit out my non-compete, then kept going from job to job in that industry because there was demand.

    A huge amount of it was luck. But it helped that I didn’t try to pick some job or industry then hope I could find work, but rather I looked where there was work and just went there.

    Is staking your sense of stability on your career the wrong way to think about this?

    Of fuck yeah that’s the worst way. Do what you have to do to get paid, but then find as much meaning as you can elsewhere.

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    Go into anything that has to do with the renewable energy sector, that’s where jobs are going to be for decades to come

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      I used to wire up inverters on industrial solar farms out west. We all got laid off when trump got elected and he nixed an Obama era federal funding of renewables. Glad to hear it’s comin back

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    If it makes you feel better, in Sweden, the average age of students is 25. Why? A lot of them do what they want and figure things out first before deciding. A lot travel, work, or save money before going to college. It’s the norm for them.

    Meanwhile for the rest of the world, we’re pressured to figure things out as soon as we leave high school. Looking back, it’s mainly because we are pressured by our parents to go to college. It became a status symbol and bragging rights for them if their kids went to college.

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    You don’t. We live in a fucked up society and nothing about this situation will changed until society changes at a fundamental level.

    We’re fucked mate.

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    I don’t think there is job stability anymore. Society fucked over everybody except the ultra rich.

    There’s so many people transitioning from IT to plumbers and electricians that market will be oversaturated soon enough. I guess there’s becoming a doctor if you can handle 7 years of schooling.

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      I’m a mechanic of a decade. I can’t throw a rock without hitting a place begging to have me, and have walked out of jobs over petty shit and had better paying jobs before i made it home. If you pick the right trade there is no shortage of demand! And when you can’t walk without tripping into another job, you can ask for a little more than their willing to give too. They don’t wanna pay? Fine, toolboxes have wheels for a reason! Not the best paying career but if nothing, it’s stable and reliable. Oh and my maintinence cost on my and the wife’s vehicles is next to zero between shop discount on parts and free labor (me). Pretty much any other trade is better than being a mechanic, my buddy in HVAC makes more than me and doesn’t work near as hard but he had to wait to find a place taking apprentices.

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        100% the Tech sector is saturated and people were discouarged from doing hands on jobs for a long time. Ive never seen an unemployed pipe fitter (Plumber) unless they drink too much. Same with electricians, mechanics and millwrights. Most of the trades you just have to decide how far you are willing to go for work. Do you want to travel, fly in/out, camp, or stay in one community. After you get that sorted out it is gravy.

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    You probably need a little help, a little kindness. Or just bs with bs CV’s your way into some AI company.

    EDIT: I have been looking into those digital sticker arts. There are places where you can draw and sell printables for some dollars.

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    You don’t. You get a new job every two years.

    Despite what the Boomers have told you, “stability” is a thing of the past. Your best opportunity for growth and regular raises is to constantly switch jobs until you’ve contributed enough to your 401K to retire. And if you don’t have a 401K, get one ASAP. Don’t wait until your late 30s like I did or you’ll be working until you drop dead. Take advantage of that employer match ASAP. It’s basically free money on the table. (And if your employer doesn’t offer a 401K with a match, well that’s yet another reason to switch jobs.)

    Also, I know this won’t make you feel better, but you really do need to make sure that you’re both happy with your choice of major, and able to make money from it. Otherwise you will struggle even more than the rest of us. I fucked around and dropped out because I didn’t know what I wanted for a career, and I’m still paying for it. I will never know what it feels like to own a new car or anything nice. (FWIW I’d likely be in the same situation even if I did graduate, because I unfortunately picked STEM as my major and anyone who has gone down that path can tell you how useless of a degree it is.)

    It fucking sucks that life is this way, but that’s the reality we live in. When I was your age it took me about a decade to come to terms with the fact that the American dream only existed for two generations in America (Boomers and Gen X); everybody else gets to suffer. You’ll eventually come to terms with it as well. Or you’ll get mad enough at the billionaires that killed the American Dream and start a revolution.

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      I agree whole heartedly with the savings for retirement and taking advantage of matching. But I do disagree that you need to find something that you enjoy doing for your career.

      I went down that path and found that the enjoyment really fades when you have to do it every day for someone else.

      Personal, anecdotal history aside, Ive told a half dozen employers ‘I dont work to support you, I work to support my family. So long as the pay keeps rolling in, ill keep showing up.’ I went to school for tech and got a production job in forestry. Opened a side business repairing computers for everyone in town. Eventually, it got to the point when I was dreading the phone calls and walk ins. I love tinkering and playing with tech, upgrading, tweaking, getting my home server set up.

      Doing it every day for people who dont listen? No thanks.

      Find an income, and then do what you enjoy with the money you earn.

      Regardless, every path is different, and you have to own yours. Whatever choices you make, take responsibility and move forward.

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        To elaborate, by “happy with your major” I meant more like “willing to work in your chosen industry for the rest of your life” than “enjoy your work”.

        I agree with you 100%. One of the reasons why I dropped out is because I saw myself living a future hating one of my favorite hobbies… In fact it already happened. I’ve done some tech support on the side here and there over the decades; eventually I stopped fixing computers because I got tired of hearing people say to me, “something different broke and you were the last one to touch the PC so it’s all your fault”. Not to mention the frustration of dealing with a computer that just won’t work. This is the same reason I’ll never be a mechanic despite loving cars. I like electronics and machines better when they’re functional.

        Hell, my current gaming rig died after I replaced the CMOS battery and I just do not want to deal with the hassle of trying to figure out why it won’t POST anymore. So I bought a USB-C to DisplayPort adapter and my $4000 gaming rig just sits in the corner of my office partially disassembled because I just cannot be bothered. My phone is my desktop now.

        Anyway sorry for the ADHD-induced tangent. Point I’m making is that you provided some solid advice and I hope OP reads it.

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    A lot of negativity online and in this thread but imo that doesn’t really represent the world. There’s more career paths and options today then there ever was. If you have no responsibilities (family etc) then you should allow yourself to explore and time to build something.

    Don’t be afraid of weird or “low skill” - everything builds skills and connects to more opportunities but most importantly now more than ever it’s important to be quitter - so you can actually leave at diminishing returns point and take advantage of new opportunities.