So the Messiah in Star Wars is supposed “to bring balance to The Force,” but I never understood what it meant.
Star Wars is extremely dualistic–there is a good side and an evil side, a light side and a dark side, the Jedi and the Sith. Every plotline is based around a manichean struggle where only one side can win by annihilating the other.
The “good side”, the Jedi, are explicitly looking a savior to provide “balance” while at the same time imposing all sorts of restrictions on which force powers are allowed and which aren’t. For an order whose messiah is based on Taoist equilibrium, they are positively Christian in their obsession with purity.
I think there is an implicit subtextual critique of the Jedi Order in the prequels that they incompetent, as you might expect from the leaders of a theocracy, but that’s about as far as it goes.
I think the closest we get to ANY real discussion of balance is Luke’s vision on Degobah, where he must see himself as potentially Darth Vader, which can be interpreted as an attempt towards wholeness OR as a warning to not stray into evil.
Can anyone square this circle?
Edit: It’s funny to me that there are more comments than upvotes. People want to share. I love it.


Lucas himself kept it pretty simple. From interviews and the movies themselves, his narrative is that the dark side is a corruption and abuse of the force. Think like burning through natural resources, instead of using renewable energy. The Force is not a finite resource in that way exactly, but corrupting the Force can have wider effects psychologically and sociologically. This may seem overly simple at first, but I don’t think it is when you consider just how evil the Sith actually are.
But you know, death of the author and all that. The expanded universe saved Star Wars in my opinion, and gave it a lot of much needed depth. There was a lot of info about lessons Luke had to learn about accepting all parts of himself, and learning how fear, even of himself, leads to the dark side. He hesitated using powers like force lightning or mind manipulation because of how evil it seemed. But he learned that it isnt an act itself, but the intention behind it that matters, as well as the reasoning/wisdom behind it. Dominating another’s mind to aura farm or assert your authority is not the move, but a Jedi mind trick to save lives is acceptible,for example. This was expanded in more in the EU by those that walk a middle path, the Grey Jedi. Who were not all that different than Luke ended up being, though they were more fixated on the whole “duality of man” thing.
The Prequels reinforced this by highlighting how imperfect and ultimately impotent the Jedi order was at the time of Palpatine’s rise.
While I don’t believe the discourse online that Anakin killing all Jedi and Sith WAS the balancing of the Force, the Jedi Order DID need to be reworked. Just like how religion in real life isn’t perfect and needs reform kn a regular basis, but we do need people to tell us to be nice to other humans and form a certain kind of worldwide standard of social accountability, and religion is a useful form of that. We certainly DON’T need an equal, “balanced” amount of people whose religion is mass genocide and “might makes right” to the degree that they kill their teachers (often guardians that raised them) as a rite of passage. Also, Jedi=/=good the same way religion=/=good. The Light Side is good. The Jedi, and religion, attempts to achieve goodness, but does not always succeed. The Dark Side, whether Sith or Dark Jedi, is fundamentally a rejection of accountability, the concept of goodness, and respect for the natural order of the universe. This so-called binary, ironically, comes from the idea that anything not approved by the Jedi order’s dogma is the Dark Side.
This overly emphasized social pressure is a big reason Anakin fell. In his mind it was “well I did x so I’m not a Jedi anymore, so that means I have to embrace the complete opposite of everything I once stood for because I am now officially Bad™️”. And while Anakin is responsible for his own actions, the Jedi Order is not “good” either for setting him up to fail like this. He seems like (and is) an idiot who was easily fooled and manipulated. But like, Padme was the only one who fully accepted him for who who was, even after he admitted to thr Sand People massacre. She never even looked at him with fear or judgment. Palpatine was similar. And that’s a powerful thing.
But none of this means the Force decided “we need some more genocide and less people who care about trying to be good. Send in the chosen one.” That’s just dumb.
I’m not going to pretend there was any subtext to the sequels since there isn’t even a main text.
Source: used to be WAY too much of a Star Wars nerd.
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In the scene you mentioned, Yoda warns him not to take his weapons, which Luke ignores. When Luke asks what is waiting for him, he tells Luke “what you bring with you”. Bringing weapons/violence to “win” at his training is missing the point of what Yoda was trying to teach him. Obviously violence IS sometimes necessary, some people are too far gone, and Yoda himself later tells him he’ll need to defeat his father. But the lesson is this: when your main tool is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Luke learned the lesson, and by committing to the bit while staring death in the face, was able to save even Vader.
So it’s more a Ring of Power situation where some powers erode your morality?
Yes, I think there’s something to be said about Anakin’s religion preventing him from integrating himself. He was overtaken by his Shadow.
Yes but also no. Due to all the good Star Wars video games and the emphasis on dualism, we think of force powers as separate abilities unlocked on a skill tree, and you have to choose to use or not use them, or it’ll make your dark side points go up. That’s not really the case though. Everyone uses the Force for telekinesis. Force Choke is just telekinesis, except increasing the pressure specifically around the throat. Sure, you can kill someone and be “good” or Light Side, even specifically that way theoretically. But let’s be honest here: it was a way for Vader to torture or kill underlings that questioned him to assert his authority to aura farm. Not out of love, not out of any sense of “I need to do this to make the world better”. So it is a “dark side power” in practice, because of your intention.
There is some debate about how Palpatine’s master (have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the wise?) was able to extend life. But at least one popular books says that it was by literally sucking the life energy out of someone else to extend your own life, increasingly having to kill more to extend your life by increasingly shorter periods. The same book states that this is how Vader survived and why Padme mysteriously died “of a broken heart”. Palpatine killed her to save Vader, as well as a bonus for him to have full control over him by severing his last connection to his old life. So yes, defying the laws of the universe of life and death, and using life itself (the Force that is a part of us all and we are all part of it) to inflict suffering, pain, and death, just to extend your own life (“you” really just being the Force too that exists for a small period of time, think Buddhism) is definitely a corruption of the Force for evil purposes. But if you were able to do this to sacrifice your own life to save multiple others, or even to save one person who can serve a greater purpose, perhaps that wouldn’t be seen as the Dark Side.
That’s a satisfying interpretation, but it does leave open the question of why the Jedi could not see it that way. They seem more than anything else to be an object lesson against simple-minded dogmatism.
The oversimplified explanation: they are stupid/unwise/shallow. I couldn’t have said it better myself than your last sentence, that’s exactly the narrative purpose of the prequel Jedi order.
They have the correct words memorized, but they don’t understand what it actually means. Anakin is able to quote “unconditional love is encouraged, it is just attachment that is forbidden”. When he goes to Yoda after having nightmares of the future, he tells Anakin that he must learn to let go of the thing he is afraid to lose, since it is just a part of life. Is any of that wrong? Not particularly, but was Yoda unconditionally loving him? Or did he uncaringly spout dogma at him when he could clearly tell he was struggling. No questions of what it was about, no follow up, no kind words, no empathy, no nothing.
Then there’s the clouding of the Force. So, they could generally see the future before this point, and now they can’t. And they don’t think this is odd or concerning? They’re not on their toes enough to expect a trap or a plot twist? Mace floats the idea of telling the senate in episode 3, many years after it started. Just because they are the ones that presuppose they are always trying to do the right thing doesn’t mean that they will always have the answers, always be strong, or even not just fooling themselves into thinking they have an honest heart for the truth. Pretending otherwise led to the downfall of the free world.
Yoda can rattle off “fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering” in Episode 1, but that’s exactly what happened to them. They feared losing to the Dark Side, feared losing their influence on the Republic, so they integrated further with the government, making both weaker (which always happens when you mix religion and government), which caused Anakin to doubt because they were so transparent, then completely abandon the ideology because he saw no place for himself in the world after making a single mistake.
I am all too familiar with the mindset as someone who was raised very Christian. Jesus himself even criticizes the practice of “tithing the mint and cumin, but ignoring thr weightier matters of the law: justice, mercy, and faithfulness.” Basically. the religious leaders of the time took the old law’s command to give a tithe (one tenth) of your income to God SO seriously that they’d dump out every slice on their spice rack into a table once a week, and carefully divide it into 10 equal pieces, and give a tenth to God. Yet they completely missed the point of religion, the concepts and real people that actually matter. Even for the small things, why did God want them to tithe their belongings? Not because he came down and grabbed it from the altar every night, but so it could go to people who needed it but couldn’t afford it. Yet the religious leaders neglected the orphans and widows in the community. The religious leaders wee “so good” by being “so dedicated” to thr tithing command, but guess whose job it was to distribute the tithes to the needy? Guess who actually kept it. They were too enthralled with the specifics (and their own additional dogma) that when God himself came, they killed him because they didn’t recognize his teachings as the same thing they “followed”. Whether you believe in the Bible or not, it is a universal truth about humanity, and unfortunately even so-called Christians have learned nothing from this.
Similar to Anakin, I left my local church of over a decade because my mom got cancer, and nobody said a thing about it to me. Nobody reached out after I left either. I called out one guy on it later, and he was basically like “yeah but she’ll go to heaven so no big deal right? I don’t know what you want me to say” Like yeah maybe, even if I fully believe that (which I’m not sure I do anymore) or in Buddhism where we all become a part of something greater, I still have emotions and it would sure be great if anyone cared enough to help me process them. If God gave us emotions, it was for a purpose, not to ignore them.
The first time I heard that line from Yoda about sensing much fear in Anakin, I was pissed. Here’s this 9 year old slave boy, a child taken from his mother, his home, his everything and surrounded and poked and prodded by all these weirdos…of course he’s afraid you fucking idiot. How dare you spew that crap. To paraphrase a great Jedi, “Yes the Jedi deserved it, and I hope they burn in hell!”
I’ve learned that systems serve themselves, first and always. There is no better lesson of that than Christianity. The historical Jesus was basically a radical hippie, but he was buried first by Paul and then the institution of the Church, which didn’t even feel the need to purge the story of the Pharisees or the Good Samaritan from the Bible, two stories which obviously call out the negative religious impulses the Church is founded on.
Yes, emotions are there to be listened to. A big part of waking up is taking your feelings seriously instead of burying them or denying them or ignoring them. I fucking HATE Christian funerals because they spend almost all their time convincing themselves that God is Good and The Person is Happy in Heaven, and it’s absolutely a terrible way to deal with grief and maybe even anger. I went to a funeral for a woman who had been literally disemboweled by her mentally-ill son, and, yeah, you can imagine the questions about God that were not asked at the service.
By ignoring your emotions, the risk is that you either become a zombie, miserably unhappy and not sure why, or you get completely overtaken by your shadow, the parts you are trying to deny (what happened to Anakin, and what happens to all those gay evangelists caught in bathroom stalls).
I don’t know where you are on your spiritual journey, but I left Christianity to become an atheist and now I’m trying to build some spirituality back into my life to keep the suicidal nihilism at bay. Britt Hartley’s YouTube channel No Nonsense Spirituality has a lot of good ideas.
I’m sorry you lost your mom.
I agree. That’s why religion and politics don’t mix. Someone truly spiritual is bad at playing politics, a politician can rarely be genuine. So then it just becomes a self sustaining system that doesn’t do or help anyone.
I agree.
Right now I’m just done for now attending anywhere and mostly with studying anything, aside from a few things like looking into Hinduism a bit, visiting with someone to a different sect of Christianity, stuff like that. I’d be pretty surprised if there was no intelligent design or greater purpose to the world. I do believe some form of spirituality is important to the human experience. I’m not married to any idea at the moment though.
Thank you, that’s more than anyone else said :) I haven’t lost her yet, but it’s just a matter of time. A few more years at most.
In my travels through religion, I find that people cluster in predictable ways around EVERY religion. Most people just want to think they live in an orderly universe and can manipulate it with superficial piety. Other people really want to use religion to be better people (usually more compassionate), others want to use it to be worse (tribalistic), and the smallest number are actually looking for an experience of the divine.
Though there is that commonality, there are some wild differences between religions. Like Christianity is very much based around faith in supernatural stuff. If you don’t believe, you’re not part of the Church and you are cast out because your doubt may infect others and thereby send them into Hell for eternity. I wish, as someone who doesn’t believe, that I could find a spiritual home, but I can’t find one within Christianity. But not all religions work that way.
Good luck with your exploration (and your family stuff!